Harringay, Haringey - So Good they Spelt it Twice!
Ladder or Gardens
I know it’s such a personal thing. But I really am feeling I can only afford the Gardens. Having had my heart set on the ladder - thoughts??
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Permalink Reply by Sydney on
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We're on the Ladder side and it is lovely, but the LTN on the Gardens is a massive bonus as far as I'm concerned! I wish we had less through-traffic.
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It’s so quiet here and yet further up Green Lanes which I liked. Also the community garden is really sweet.
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Am in family home i grew up in on Ladder, but had a flat in Rutland for 10 years. The Gardens are nice and quiet, but the houses are smaller even though they are still 3 bed double reception layout.
I see very little come up for sale on the Gardens side, so if you find something you like and can afford, jump on it!
As an aside, due to the redrawing of constituencies, the Gardens have now been separated from the Ladder - the Ladder being part of Hornsey and Friern Barnet and the Gardens still Lammy's constituency of Tottenham
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This is helpful. I’ve walked around today and it’s a really lovely spot! I’m going to go for it!!
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You might prefer the Levels (bordered by Green Lanes, St Anns ans Blackboy Lane) with it's lovely quiet tree-lined streets and friendly neighbourhood groups. It's a world away from the bustle of Green Lanes and the antisocial behaviour and traffic that plague the Ladder.
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It’s such a lovely spot. Thank you!
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The prices of the houses on the northern rungs of Harringay Ladder are not dissimilar to those in the Gardens. The downside is the proximity to Turnpike Lane and all that that entails.
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Yes I’m keen to stay towards the Sainsbury’s end!
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We started looking at the ladder (I'd lived there for 10+ years), then the gardens and ended up going for Duckett's Green which was a fair bit cheaper per sqft, a much nicer walk (and more convenient) from the tube and easy to get to Wood Green, Green Lanes and West Green Road (which is slowly getting nicer).
We hadn't thought of it at all when we started looking but the estate agent suggested it and very happy we ended up here.
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And you get the green too!
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Permalink Reply by Geraldine on
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How long has Duckett's Common been called Duckett's Green? Gentrification par excellence.
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Permalink Reply by Hugh on
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You might think so, Geraldine, but in fact Duckett's Green is the older name. It was one of many greens that stretched up Green Lanes. On the Harringay stretch we had 'Beans Green', but that didn't survive the Victorian development. You can see both names in the extract of the 1818 Tottenham Parish map below.
The Ducketts Green name was still in use by the end of the nineteenth century and was the variant chosen by the Ordnance Survey for their maps in the 1890s.
However, by the middle of the twentieth century, 'Green' seems to have been increasingly replaced by 'Common'. Perhaps this was a council-led change. The 1955 Ordnance Survey map followed suit.
I started taking an interest in how neighbourhoods were represented on maps about twenty years ago, and I started a sort of campaign to revive what was by then the almost forgotten neighbourhood of 'Harringay'. In addition to setting up this website (which was motivated by social concerns not ones of nomenclature), I wrote (way too much) about Harringay on Wikipedia and then set to work on Google Maps when it was more open to editing by any Tom, Dick or Harry. It took me four years for me to get Harringaydegined and appearing on Google Maps. I then went to work on Apple Maps. Sadly, Google and some other online mappers seem since to have rowed back from showing many neighbourhood names on their maps. Both Crouch End and Harringay have disappeared from Google Maps, but still return search results. The area outline I defined for Harringay persists, but the name has gone.
Google's policy on this matter is very strange. The names of some sub-neighbourhoods still show, whilst others are hidden - go figure. For example (following local precedent) I also added the 'Harringay Warehouse District' which, although since edited several times by other 'editors', has been allowed to survive to this day.
About ten years ago, in the last period when any T, D or H could define a neighbourhood, I noticed that the area between the west end of West Green Road and Turnpike Lane Station had no name. Aware of the historic precedent in the use of 'Duckett's Green', I defined the orphaned area and used the historic epithet for it.
Quite why Google have allowed this one and the 'Harringay Warehouse District' to survive but not Harringay and Crouch End is strange - I can only guess that at the time it was to avoid the issue of map-edit wars.
A few years after adding the area, I noticed that estate agents had started marketing properties in Duckett's Green and that it was starting to be taken up in use elsewhere.
It's an odd story of how the name is in use today, but it's not a confected name and wasn't revived to drive gentrification. You can blame me and my odd concern with the survival of historic place names!
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