Harringay, Haringey - So Good they Spelt it Twice!
St Ann's LTN start date - 22 August
I'm not sure whether this has been shared elsewhere on HOL - can't see it in a search but...
We have recently received a note through our front door that the St Ann's Low Traffic Neighbourhood will be implemented on 22 August.
This is a heads-up for anyone living in or driving through the area between West Green Road and St Ann's Road. There will no longer be a direct route between the two major roads unless you are a bus or have a 'X2' exemption pass.
Woodlands Park Road, Black Boy Lane, Cornwall Road and Avenue Road will all be closed to through traffic.
The restriction points will be monitored by CCTV, so no doubt LBH will be issuing lots of PCNs! Drivers beware!
I attach two documents, one a map of the area showing the traffic cells as they will be after implementation, and the other the supporting document.
Tags for Forum Posts: low traffic neighbourhoods, st anns ltn, traffic
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LTN Doc.pdf, 1.1 MB
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Permalink Reply by greenfingers on
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I presumed as a resident I could still park near my flat. Apparently not. The signs say 'permit holders only' which I stupidly thought meant me. I did wonder what the X2 meant though. But I've just noticed the council 'sign' (a piece of paper pinned to a flower box) saying residents permit holders don't apply anymore and residents can't use the roads unless they are disabled or with a chronic illness. Can they really fine people when that small piece of paper is all they put there ? And we arnt even allowed to drive to our homes any more ? And still have to pay a fortune for a parking permit ? Really ? the country in a financial crisis and this is what Haringey council come up with ?
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Permalink Reply by pamish on
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There must still be a way for you to access your home, but not through this 'gate'. The above map may show you how. There will be many fines issued as people confuse their permits with their permits.
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I see, I just went to have a look, and Woodlands Park Road/west green Road isnt closed all the time, just two hours a day, but Terront and Cranleigh are open so hopefully can drive round the houses a bit to get back to where I want to be when WPR is closed. My sat nav ignores all of this atm, I don't think I'll be ordering anything on Amazon for quite a while!
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Permalink Reply by Francesco on
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I am all in favour of reducing pollution, but how’s this going to help, when you are simply asking car drivers to take unnecessary LONGER journeys, sitting idle in traffic for LONGER??? Why no exemptions for locals? I tried to go from st Ann’s road to west green road the other day and I got lost, and I had a whole line of cars following me trying to get out of the labyrinth that has been created.
also I ride a scooter, with a tiny engine, and now I have to take the least safe route, risking to hit pedestrians that cross without care, or being hit by cars turning without signal. And I have to breath a lot of smog.
This is London, and the public transport is ridiculously expensive, and that’s the first thing that needs fixing if you want people to ditch their cars
I am livid about this situation
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Permalink Reply by PeterPiper on
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We all have to breathe the smog wherever we go, and deal with the unhealthy consequences I'm afraid, or are you talking about an electric scooter. Why didn't you walk, and mitigate the smog in so doing? Its not as if the weather is inclement at present.
Public transport in London is far, far cheaper than anywhere else in the country despite the treasury trying hard to limit it.
Public transport = public service. Let's try and create a more healthy environment as the least we can do for our children, and grandchildren to enjoy.
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If you think this scheme is going to take vehicles off the road you are mistaken. Once again, I am trying to explain that people are still going from A to B but taking a longer route (so burning more fuel) and all using the same main road and sitting in traffic longer (so burning more fuel). So would you care to explain to me how is this helping reducing pollution?
this country has ridiculous prices for public transportation, in fact it is cheaper to catch a plane than a bloody train, yet you seem to ignore this facts to make your own point.
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Permalink Reply by Don on
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Peter - The Treasury isn’t “trying” to limit public transport, it’s actively doing so: cuts already to Freedom passes and child travel, devastation of buses about to happen, and rail fares increasing next spring by who knows how much. Getting people out of cars relies on there being viable alternative means of travel; not everyone can walk and, even if they do, it’s unrealistic to expect them to trek for miles across town (to say nothing of anyone with shopping/children/pushchairs or trying to get to Haringey’s recycling centre). Get public transport right first and then maybe it’s time to close roads.
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Don - I said "trying to limit public transport" as a more gentle way of saying "The Tory government is ideologically opposed to public services, and the market should be the final arbiter" Of course I understand what their game is and I'm opposed to it. However your proposed solution is very 'chicken & egg'. I welcome a transition to the 15-20 minute city but it cannot happen overnight and cars will still be a part of it but not in the dominant way they have been allowed to become. Savings from better health outcomes could provide much of the funding.
I'm also a pedestrian and unclogging the car dominated streets to allow better and more reliable bus services has to be the goal of mass transit, as quickly as possible. The government and council have set some time limits but ultimately people will still need to make long journeys and until the mass transit is fully integrated, cars and freight will have a small role to play which in time can be realised. Unlikely in my lifetime, but baby steps... The next car is a shared EV, the councils and their contractors stop purchasing fossil fuelled vehicles, we de-clutter and repair etc., etc. Nothing is impossible if the vision and the will is there, otherwise we'll have to swim.
Its interesting to note polling suggests that many people are working from home since the pandemic, and many have said that not only has their standard of living improved, but also they are more productive without the stress of commuting. People are voting with their feet already.
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Permalink Reply by JulieB on
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What is a 15-20 minute city? I've not come across that phrase before.
I think the pandemic has changed working practices and I welcome the flexibility it offers. However it means less use of public transport for commuting and therefore loss of income for TFL. So if the trend continues, and we're stuck with this rotten Govt for much longer, I can't see investment in more buses and bus routes.
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Permalink Reply by Sarah on
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"A 15-minute city is a residential urban concept in which most daily necessities can be accomplished by either walking or cycling from residents' homes."
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/15-minute_city
I think we have this! I pick up my Crop Drop from Downhills Park, Sole Share from Harringay Local, my GP surgery is moving but will still be within a 15 minute cycle. The only thing that's a bit far for me is the gym. I'm a Better member as they are under my office and also have a very good disability membership, whereas Fusion has no disability membership offer.
We also have good bars and restaurants, parks, and the Bernie Grant centre within 15 minutes.
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Sarah — Everyone has their own London, in terms of what they enjoy. For me, as well as necessities such as those you outline, I want galleries, museums, concert halls, theatres, areas such as Soho (albeit that’s well under assault, too) or Clerkenwell, and to visit friends in south or west London as well as nearer home — and good public transport is vital to do it with.
Yes, let’s reduce car traffic, but, no, I’m never going to ride a bike and I’ve done too much waiting on cold, miserable streets late at night for overcrowded buses (the 29 from Camden is not a joyful experience at 11.30pm, especially on a Friday or Saturday) to want to continue at this age. In my experience, many women (especially if on their own) won’t even consider tubes after 10pm, so an evening out is at risk of early curtailment unless there’s a safe alternative — sometimes Uber, which is also risky, or usually their own car. And have you been in Wood Green High Road after 10pm? The council’s own survey some years ago showed that the windswept desert there was a major fear-factor for many people, while the liveliness of the Arena - Salisbury stretch gave reassurance because of the presence of lots of people (and, ironically, traffic….).
To get people overall out of cars needs serious investment in safe, reliable, frequent public transport, not just lectures from the council about how we’re all supposed to walk or cycle.
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@Don I can't reply to your post for some reason. I think you are deliberately misunderstanding the concept to of the 15-minute city - particularly the "daily necessities". I completely agree with you re public transport. We should all be able to reach these things, which are necessities if not "daily".
I was glad to have my bike during last week's transport strike, as I was able to get to the National Theatre for a matinee before visiting a friend in Brockley. To get out in the evening we had to use a mixture of Uber and tube travel.
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