Harringay, Haringey - So Good they Spelt it Twice!
Harringay Ladder traffic 'project' timelines
Last Thursday, there was a video meeting between Mike Hakata, Haringey's traffic boss, and local people. Sadly, I was on a flight back from a short break and was unable to attend. I've asked for the slides they used and will share those when I get them. In the meantime, Jim Leedham of Harringay Ladder Healthy Streets (HLHS), has sent out a copy of the timeline slide. I share that below. If anyone else attended the virtual meeting and can offer some comment, I'd be interested to hear your thoughts on how it went.
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Permalink Reply by andy h on
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Will, I’m with you, but we need to take a lesson from Cnut. The tide as turned! We have to let it flood and deal with the consequences. Good or bad. Not my first choice but what can anyone do to stop it?
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I thought we were just talking about the boundary roads of the scheme, Green Lanes and Wightman.
Yes, some went elsewhere. There was about an additional 30k spread over Crouch End, Woodlands Park Road and Black Boy Lane.
Maybe another 50k went down the A10 or A1 but that's getting quite far from the initial route.
It doesn't have to be a beggar-thy-neighbour political race. Some long-term planning could see controls implemented across wide areas but no-one wants to grasp that nettle.
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Permalink Reply by John McMullan on
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We're at the end of beggar-thy-neighbour. The Ladder is the last place for miles around to get any kind of attention for preventing THROUGH traffic.
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Your right John,
I’d rather none of them had been implimented, I think you’ll get what you want though. Personally Id rather deal with the problem rather than the symptoms it’s better in the long run.
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The Gardens and Hermitage Rd were political stitch-ups, there was no consultation.
I'm keen for us to get ANPR cameras looking at the boundaries of the borough and charging for the drivers of Mercia, Anglia and Wessex commuting through us (love calling them that now, much better than "The Home Counties").
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Andrew - You echo my points. John McM says that the Gardens closure was a political stitch-up which resulted in displaced traffic using the Ladder instead, you point out that Wightman closure sent traffic over a hugely wider area because GL couldn’t take it, while other Haringey residents complain because Enfield’s Bowes LTN has just shunted vehicles onto their streets instead. All of this argues for a London-wide plan, not just local tinkering that gets rid of a problem in one place and creates new chaos elsewhere
John McM complains about commuter traffic from outside London, but until there’s a vast amount of afffordable housing (and green spaces) in central London enabling people to live close to work, or everyone works from home (and how does that work for service industries and retail?), then we’re stuck with non-Harringay residents driving through. Which leads us back to public transport as the only viable way of getting people out of their cars. Trams in GL once again?
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In reply to John McMullan's comment, the Hermitage and Gardens closures were subject to statutory consultation and formal traffic orders in 2000 and 2001 respectively.
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In 2001 we had the battle of Green Lanes, the one-way modifications made to the ladder and Hermitage Rd quietly closed to through traffic. The Gardens was 2005/6. That's not what I call a consultation, certainly not compared to how the people of Crouch End expect them to be run these days.
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Andrew -- Maybe the problem was that GL was already at capacity and simply couldn't take the full Wightman load,hence the apparently smaller increase? I can't believe the majority of drivers using Wightman just thought "oh, I won't make my journey while the road's closed"; apart from the gridlock, curtailed bus journeys and all the rest in GL itself, I remember complaints from Crouch End residents that they were getting far too much of the displaced traffic as it tried to find a way round. I don't know if there was contemporaneous monitoring of other roads such as Seven Sisters, St Ann's or the A10 to see if their usage increased, but I'm sceptical that 80,000-odd journeys were just abandoned -- after all, we're always told the problem is "through traffic" and commuters from Hertfordshire, so presumably they didn't all just take 5 months off work while the bridge was being repaired!
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Permalink Reply by PeterPiper on
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Re:Hermitage New River Residents.
I'm not doubting there may have been a consultation, but for who? It was certainly kept quiet and not available for Ladder residents, (which may have resulted in a different outcome if it had been).
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Permalink Reply by Pacific_Flower on
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Hi Peter, for news and updates you can sign up for the Harringay Ladder Healthy Streets here: https://list-manage.us10.list-manage.com/subscribe?u=1967c801359614...
The last consultation meeting was on 17th March and open to all who registered. The link was publicised on my road's WhatsApp Group.
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I don't agree. I live near the Harringay passage and wouldn't want a turning area right outside, also the road is not wide enough for two way traffic, especially as parking spaces are always at capacity, and reversing on to Green Lanes Road wouldn't be fun. Our road (Allison) is lucky, we don't get that much through traffic on our road and it's generally pretty quiet. My concern is just the general traffic levels along Wightman and Green Lanes Road and idling vehicles. Is there a way to stop the rest of London using Green Lanes Harringay as a general through-neighbourhood to reach the North Circular? -- Archway seems to have achieved it somewhat, by pedestrianizing the area outside the Tube Station.
And if we block off streets along the Ladder where is that traffic going? Further idling traffic jams along Greenlanes and Wightman road? Which is why it's crucial to consider those main roads in any plans.
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