Krankbrothers who have been holding events in recent years in Finsbury Park (just down from the Manor House Gate) on two August weekends have applied for:
1. A licence variation to allow them to increase the numbers attending by 33% from 6,000 to 8,000 and also to allow them to have live music and films.
2. A new application for an additional day - which would apparently allow them three weekends of events.
Representations concerning these applications can be made to Haringey Council's Licensing Committee but must relate to one or more of the four Licensing Objectives - the prevention of crime and disorder; public safety; the prevention of public nuisance and the protection of children from harm.
Representations should be sent to licensing@haringey.gov.uk to arrive by 20 January.
Further information at:
https://www.haringey.gov.uk/business/licensing-and-regulations/lice...
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Sounds awesome, where can we lodge our support?
Agree great news. Such good parties. You can comment or email with you support on the link and get your mates to do the same :)
Hi Billy
Appreciate your support, glad you enjoy them ! - positive comments can also be registered:
https://www.haringey.gov.uk/business/licensing-and-regulations/lice...
Regards
Jools
Hi Lauren
Appreciate your support - positive comments can also be registered:
https://www.haringey.gov.uk/business/licensing-and-regulations/lice...
Regards
Jools
Thanks, Konrad, for bringing this to our attention.
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Adrian,
I agree with your comments about the Haringey Licensing web page - the minimum possible information. The only way to get further information is to email the licensing people which is what I did. But even then you don’t get to see the application form or site plans, so one is left guessing as to what is intended.
I agree about limited information re these two weekends in august when part of our park will be walled off so a private company can make money and local park users and residents will get a blasting which they have not agreed to. It is not clear which weekend has the extra days as you say. The use of the park for events in the summer months was not part of the events agreement made years ago in a previous Labour administration. We already have the prospect of 3-day Wireless with 45,000 people in July plus another 2/3 day festival a week later. So when do the residents and local people, many of whom who don’t have gardens, have the chance to enjoy the park in the summer months without having to listen to music they may not like but which is unavoidable?
And the amount of money made by Haringey Council is a pittance - £5.12p per person for every £70 ticket for Wireless (stats from HC). Given the huge arena Live Nation gets for this festival plus being next to one of the best connected tube and rail stations in London, this amount is absurd. Interesting that Crystal Palace would not have them back again this year after last year’s outing for Wireless which caused a huge backlash from the local community. The volume of music coming from these festivals stretches as far as Stamford Hill and Queens Wood in Highgate but there is no independent monitoring of the sound. As both HC and festival organisers have an interest in turning up the volume, this is exactly what happens.
The damage to the park is well known. After the last two wet weekends of Krankbrother festival there were at least 8 acres of compacted mud after 6,000 danced on the grass and a large area of grass had to be raked over with new topsoil and reseeded. It is still recovering. Previous festivals have had the same result. This park was provided for local people 150 years ago. It is not an area for the Council to make money out of at the cost to local people who want it as a park - it is not presently in safe custody. There is money in the budget to provide a park in this area without losing it for the two best months of the year.
I think local people should stand up to those who want to wall off our park for key summer months. It has really shown how important this park is during lockdown with thousands of people using it to chill out, play games and lie in the sun. This is a very densely populated part of London and the park is needed for people to enjoy nature, have peace and play in the fresh air. Not to make millions - and I mean millions - for speculators supposedly for young people. If they want to have 45,000 at a festival hold it outside London. If they can get to Glastonbury, they can get to Hertfordshire or Essex,
Regarding the end date for submissions I contacted the licensing people and they have agreed to 22 January as being the end date.
Hello Adrian / Konrad / Gina
My name is Jools Butterfield and I am the Licensing and Community Officer for Krankbrother.
Regarding the license application for the extra day, just to clarify that this day will be attached to an existing weekend (not a third weekend) and it's 50/50 currently whether it happens at all in 2022 given post-Covid talent and infrastructure challenges, it's more likely to be a 2023 occurrence.
On the issue of noise, the increase in capacity will not lead to an increase in volume. We aim to reduce noise complaints annually not increase them, and after studying last years reports and taking feedback from the locality we are changing some key areas to try and achieve this. We do not need to increase volume to cater for 8000 attendees over 6000 attendees based upon the figures I have seen and we have no desire to. The addition of "live music" on the license application is a "just in case" scenario similar to the additional day to give us some flexibility, but regardless it would not lead to an increase in volume anyway, and would reduce disturbance level courtesy of breaks in the audio that come with live acts.
On the issue of the compounded mud, Krankbrother pay a bond to the council pre-event and any damage that is done to the park that is not easily repairable is taken from that bond before it is returned to us. I understand the reseeding was done quickly and to the park staff's satisfaction, they gave us positive feedback regarding this.
In terms of any detail regarding the application, whether that be around the four licensing objectives, the event safety management plan or the noise management plan, please do contact me on community@krankbrotherfinsburyevents.com and I will respond. I would obviously much rather we are in a productive discourse than you put in a representation, and a harmonious existence between us and the locality is preferred, so please do contact me at any time, on these matters or any other, feel free to forward that email to anyone in the locality.
On the matter of Wireless and the disturbance that causes I can't comment as I do not work for that company.
There will be a local consultation meeting soon on Zoom chaired by myself, on which I am happy to answer any concerns directly, please email me for more details, I will be sending out an extensive letter drop to the local area informing people of this.
Hope some of this information helps, as I say please contact me at any time.
Best regards and have a nice evening.
Jools
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