Harringay, Haringey - So Good they Spelt it Twice!
Local Parties dismiss voters' sense of place
Those of you who've been reading the posts on the site for a while will know that I hold strong views about our sense of place in Harringay..........well in any place really. Our sense of history's part of that, our sense of community is a part and our name is part.
Back in April 2008, Nilgun Canver offered the following:
Today Justin Hinchcliffe, Chair of the Tottenham Tories joined in on Twitter with a tweet apparently ridiculing a voter's wish to have her place of residence recognised as Harringay:
What is it with our politicians. Don't they get it. Many of us simply don't wish to have our area chopped up and repackaged to suit their notions of political entities or boundaries. We have the right to choose - not you.
Are there any other representatives from the local blues and reds who'd care to share their views on this issue? And what of the local Liberals. We've heard nothing from you on this. We'd welcome hearing what you think.
Let me leave the last word to Thomas Burke, writing in 1921:
(See my posting in the history group for more on Burke)
Back in April 2008, Nilgun Canver offered the following:
We've discussed and we have agreed to call the area Harringay Green Lanes and Too much emphasis on Harringay confuses everyone with the borough Haringey and I’m afraid it refers to the Harringay ward and excludes the Gardens and other target areas.
Today Justin Hinchcliffe, Chair of the Tottenham Tories joined in on Twitter with a tweet apparently ridiculing a voter's wish to have her place of residence recognised as Harringay:
What is it with our politicians. Don't they get it. Many of us simply don't wish to have our area chopped up and repackaged to suit their notions of political entities or boundaries. We have the right to choose - not you.
Are there any other representatives from the local blues and reds who'd care to share their views on this issue? And what of the local Liberals. We've heard nothing from you on this. We'd welcome hearing what you think.
Let me leave the last word to Thomas Burke, writing in 1921:
But do you think the inhabitants of those villas will rank themselves with those of Tottenham or Hornsey? Not likely. They are of Harringay. The guide-book was right: it is a suburb with a distinct individuality of its own.
Proud of its lineage, proud of its appearance in thirteenth-century records, it declines to surrender its identity to those who claim lordship over it. Before Tottenham and Hornsey were, Harringay was so often mentioned in ancient documents as to receive the honour of being spelt in six different ways - sure proof of importance. Indeed, the name Hornsey came into currency only through a corruption of Haringhea and Haringey; and it is therefore fit that the stout fellows of Harringay should defend the style and identity of their venerable village from the encroachments of that modern upstart Hornsey.
(See my posting in the history group for more on Burke)
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Permalink Reply by GillianM on
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http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hErAragoh5UQoqxyQ..."
"Whatever" tops most annoying word poll.
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Permalink Reply by Hugh on
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Great link, thanks Gillian.
"It's a word that — and it depends how a speaker uses it — can suggest dismissiveness."
........and we don't like to have our opinions, beliefs or values dismissed, do we.
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Permalink Reply by Clive Carter on
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Spoken like a typical teenager.
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Permalink Reply by John D on
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You've heard of a double negative making a positive, but what about a double positive making a negative ?
Yeah right.
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In fact you know what Gillian, I think dismiss was the word I was reaching for when I wrote the title to this post. So, if I may I'll steal the word and changed the post title.
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Hugh I think that's a better word in all the circumstances and dare I say it, less provocative. I hold no brief for the Conservative Party (NB, Conservative rather than the slightly pejorative Tory). But is it fair to say that the dismissal, if true, was a dismissal by a plurality of (local) Conservatives rather than a single Conservative?
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I guess if the dismissal came from the Chair, one should assume that it carries a meaning that ought to extend into the realms of pluralities, non?
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Glad to help! In my opinion it is Justin's use of this word (indicating his lack of respect for the voters) and not specifically his views that is offensive.
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He's entitled to his views. You're right, it's his dismissal that grates, particularly coming on top of the refusal by some of the local Labour party to listen.
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I think that sort of casual dismissal of someone would grate whatever the issue.
We don't know who cares, but what I recommend we would do is ask, rather than assume, ignore or dismiss.
This name thing's not a train spotter thing for me Tom. A sense of place needs to based on an agreed area with a common name; sense of place = sense of identity = much increased likelihood of identification with place and underpins higher sense of subjective empowerment / sense of agency. In other words it makes a real difference.
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Permalink Reply by Justin Hinchcliffe on
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13 pages now on this subject - I bet there will just be a handful, if any, of comments on my new post on the Sharon Shoesmith emails, where all and sundry heaped praise on her before being her sacking by Ed Balls (one Labour decision I agree with!)
Reminds me of 2002. Around 500 anti-CPZ protesters from Muswell Hill packed the Civic Centre's public gallery. The following night, the Council debated the Laming Report on Victoria Climbie's dreadful death; just two people turned up.
Made me embarrassed of, and appalled, by the people of Haringey, a borough I was born and brought up in and remain in today.
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