Harringay, Haringey - So Good they Spelt it Twice!
Lammy calls for People's Vote
Possible options are;
* the brexit deal, if there is one
* no deal
* stay in the EU
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45616308
Time needed to ratify, organise and campaign for such a 'vote' would take around 10 months according to constitutional experts so, Article 50/29th March would have to be delayed, if possible.
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Permalink Reply by DavidJ on
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"We'd also be a laughing stock for generations."
We are a laughing stock now. Seriously.
We have only been having the kind of debates about details and policies in the past year or so. That alone is good reason to have a referendum - even if it simply to validate the previous result.
We need a vote on the actual deal that is facing the country - not some fantasy Brexit where we pick and choose. We now know that is not on the table - and that whatever we choose there are going to be losses and compromises.
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Permalink Reply by John McMullan on
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Good point but I still don't buy another referendum as the solution. Parliament is there for a reason.
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We have definitely learned, if we didn't know already, that referendums are a terrible way of making decisions . . . but we are stuck with this one now. It will take another vote to undo this damage.
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Permalink Reply by matt on
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Labour members are to vote on keeping "all options on the table" on Brexit, including possibly campaigning for a new referendum, at their conference.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45622161
Of course the Labour leadership want an election from May's chaos. If Parliament vote down her deal (and it looks likely they will) there's a fairly high probability they'll get one but, if May is forced to resign, that'll depend on who parachutes in as the new Tory leader. Time to swot up on everything about Sajid Javid.
Would Javid call a snap election? What would he be asking the nation to choose from between the two parties? Hard to know. Or would he decide to go ahead with a 'People's Vote'?
Javid is a breixter, even though he reluctantly voted remain June 2016.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/apr/30/for-sajid-javid-th...
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Permalink Reply by Neil on
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There's been no 'utter car crash' as you moan. You add to the false scare mongering of the Remainers who deceived us before the referendum about a big recession if we voted out. The car crash is happening in Brussels as the EU falls apart.
There has been good economic growth and some great economic figures thanks to Brexit. Exports, tourism and inward investment are booming. Employment is at record levels and continues to increase.
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Permalink Reply by John D on
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Don't forget Lammy has a vision for Turnpike Lane. Only problem is, unlike Joan of Arc or Bernadette Soubirous, it hasn't come to anything.
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Permalink Reply by JHauptman on
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This is one of the better pieces I've read.
https://www.opendemocracy.net/uk/neal-lawson/people-s-vote-on-brexi...
Unfortunately, it's a little too long and lacking in pictures for many of those who are at the forefront of the debate.
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Good article. One problem, the author concludes with this statement;
We will never build a progressive internationalism on the basis of a democratic fix.
Brexit voters aren't interested in progressive internationalism, which does seem to be the author's overarching interest.
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Matt, you have no more evidence to make that statement than I do to suggest you only read the last paragraph of the article.
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I read the whole article JHauptman. Just making my own observation. Not asking or expecting you to agree.
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I guess the point is that suggesting "Brexit voters aren't interested in x.." is pretty unhelpful and indicative of the kind of myopia that's hindered the debate.
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I read progressive internationalism as global therefore globalisation. The effects of globalisation are often seen as negative by brexit voters (quoted in other media) ... open borders within the EU, wages driven down in the UK, public services under strain etc.
The author talks about needing to understand the needs of brexit voters. Will progressive internationalism (as I said, a overarching theme of the author's) be high on brexit voters list of solutions to their concerns. I doubt it but, maybe I'm wrong and the author's right.
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