Harringay, Haringey - So Good they Spelt it Twice!
Rubbish everywhere
Hi all,
Is it just me or has the rubbish/litter/flytipping situation become a lot worse on the Ladder roads in recent months. We live on Warham Road and recently more and more litter has been dumped on the sidewalk (from beanbag to mattresses, plastic bags full of household waste etc etc). When walking around it is hard not to come across milk cartons, plastic bags and cans rolling around on the roads.
I have been reporting those on the Haringey council website and have been shocked to see the amount of reports/complaints on their website/area map.
One problem seems to be that some multi-occupancy houses do not have enough bins to cope with the waste. How can we alert the council? What other measures can be taken besides alerting council?
We are all paying a very decent amount in council tax and we should be able to get decently cleaned roads and sidewalks for that.
Dominik
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Permalink Reply by Andy on
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Hi Dominik
I couldn't agree more, I live n the ladder the state of the streets is terrible, and on the windy Saturday we had recently there was a twister of trash working its way up Green lanes!
There have bee a few posts about litter in the past and the contract with Veolia UK. I have started taking photos of the trash and tweeting @harineycouncil and @veolia the photos. The council havent responded once. Veolia do but its very reactionary.
So I complained to the council the other day. And after 45 mins arguing over some very petty stuff I realised that not enough people are complaining. We need to email our thoughts constantly so it gets on the council radar and affects the KPIs of Veolia
The email addressess to send you daily complaints to are:
frontline@haringey.gov.uk
enforcement.response@haringey.gov.uk
feedback@haringey.gov.uk
I have just sent the following email to all three:
I would Like to make a complaint and draw your attention to the litter problem on Green Lanes in Haringey (up and down the entire length of the ladder)
In the last 2 weeks I have seen litter dumped at the following areas:Cnr Effingham rd and Green Lanes (This Morning)Cnr Fairfax rd and Green lanes (This Morning)Cnr of Duckett Rd and Green Lanes (Saturday 4th Aug)Cnr of Burgoyne Rd and Green Lanes (Saturday 4th Aug)Cnr Allison Rd and Green Lanes (Friday 3rd Aug)Cnr Seymour Rd and Green Lanes (Friday 3rd Aug)To be fair these are just instances that I have made note of. The facts are that there is continually rubbish on the street.Some issues I have noticed:Some shops dont have to use Veolia making pick up confusingI have personally witnessed a Veolia employee picking up only 1 out of 3 bags of rubbish on the street or walking past bags of rubbishNo one seems to be tasked with investigating dumped bin bags to see which shop / residence they came fromThe public bins are not big enoughThe number of Veolia people walking the streets are not enoughThe carts that the Veolia staff push up and down the streets are no where near big enough to pick up the rubbish that's continually thereWhen compared to Islington, or any other borough in London for that matter, the state of the streets is a disgrace and is a failure of the council and Veolia.Please respond and let me know what actions will be taken.
AndyI will start another thread letting people know the email addresses to complain to
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Thanks Andy. Saw your other post as well. I will make sure to send regular feedback using those emails. I agree we need more ppl to complain about the situation. it feels like the area is becoming a dumping ground given lack of enforcement
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Permalink Reply by Dan77 on
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So, shall one of us - and I'm happy to do it - start a new thread on here promoting a meeting in Barley and Beans at 11am on Sunday 19th?
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Permalink Reply by kotkas on
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Hi Andy and Dominic,
If there is one issue every single person on this forum agrees to it is this one. We witnessed a flytipper on our road 2 weeks ago (who also lives on our street!) and notified the council. The amount of rubbish (and recently human excrement) on our street is beyond anyone's imagination. Despite living here for 2+ years, every day I come home I experience a minor cultural adjustment, and it just doesn't get easier...
There are so many threads on the subject, and last year we did 'a day in the life' study of rubbish across a number of streets in Harringay - it was very depressing indeed. I am as guilty as anyone of letting off steam on this forum (and via emails to the council) and goin on about my life until I come across the next major pile of rubbish. What this needs is continuous, concentrated pressure on the council.
Veolia is not accountable to the inhabitants of the borough - the council is, and in my opinion the most effective form of pressure of the council, being the political beings they are, is through the media.
Instead of continuously writing to the council, if we can find a way to evidence the unprecedented scale of the issue - via photos, statements, signatures - something truly media-worthy, we can make a massive difference.
Does anyone know a journalist with whom we can temperature check the idea?
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I have often thought that but with or without the additional publicity a prospective buyer is likely to witness the holy mess that is the borough and be put off....
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Permalink Reply by Matt D on
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Needs to be pitched as positive community activism rather than disgruntled exasperation. Plenty of positives about moving to a community minded area
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I think the media spotlight is still firmly on the council - even at a national level. There has never been a better time to apply pressure.
I think something like a march - if it were big enough, and diverse enough - would make a good media focal point, particularly if it came as the culmination of a campaign, perhaps to gather signatures and/or clean the streets. I think that's the kind of headline and photo Haringey would go a long way to avoid. A broom march to town hall, perhaps.
I think they would be particularly sensitive to accusations that the west of the borough gets better services, but I have no real evidence for that, just a feeling.
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Permalink Reply by Katie Battersby on
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Count me in for ANY support to gather troops for a march to end this disgrace to our neighbourhood. I cant bear to take my kids to school stepping over other peoples dumped s**t anymore. This has to stop and its only gonna come from the people who are passionate about making a difference!! Council are useless.....
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Permalink Reply by John D on
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I don't think the west of the borough gets better services, just better residents.
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Permalink Reply by Michael Anderson on
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John, I have a friend who moved to Muswell Hill two years ago. A neighbour told him about the local “cabal”, a bunch of articulate, well connected people who know exactly the right officers and politicians at Haringey to speak to get things done. He was understandably rather suspicious of the claim but has since met two of the main players. They openly boast that they can get through to the Chief Executive's office and get local issues (be it litter or badly pruned street trees) dealt with as a priority.
Back in my early career I sometimes covered phones in the office of one of the Directors in the local authority I worked for. If I took a call from certain locals my blood would run cold because I knew that if I didn’t drop everything and deal with their issue I’d be hauled over the coals by the end of the day.
It happens and has always happened.
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Permalink Reply by John McMullan on
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Fortunately for us Muswell Hill "lost" in the recent elections so maybe it's our turn to be a local cabal. The problem is that I haven't met anyone locally who is enough of a wanker to do that kind of thing.
Another issue is that this might not be elected politicians that they had under their thumbs... nice!
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That was of course a factor but in my experience they tended to be people who had connections that were other than political, especially access to the press and other media. Indeed something I said to one of them was repeated verbatim, though out of context, in an edition of Question Time. Without exception they were all from the wealthier parts of the borough I worked in.
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