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New trains for Moorgate line - details and interior pictures
At last a detailed write-up with pics (including the interior) of the new design Moorgate line trains. They are currently under construction and in testing at the Siemens factory in Germany. It's a blog post by a railway journalist, Paul Bigland.
Interior pic is near the bottom of the longish blog post. Increased capacity (seated plus standing) officially around 100 more than the current trains.
Here's the link -- https://paulbigland.blog/2018/05/05/coming-soon-new-trains-for-the-...
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Permalink Reply by Con2 on
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looks good thanks for posting, is there a date for the new trains entering service?
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A season rather than a date - Autumn 2018 for first train in service, Spring 2019 for last old train retired. One new one in and one old pair out so there will be a gradually changing mixture for some months.
I'd expect a little flourish for the last old train (like there was for the old Victoria line trains) for the 'I was there' people. Not least because these are the oldest** British Railways passenger trains in regular service.
** The Isle of Wight trains are ex-London Transport.
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Permalink Reply by Glenn Wallis on
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Don't forget there are some ex London Overground Class 313s on the south coast with Southern. They were refurbished but are still not very popular down there but I don't believe there is any withdrawal date set for them.
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Hi Folks,
I'm glad you've found my blog on the new trains useful. I just wanted to say that (following your interest) I've updated it by adding several new pictures of the seating inside the train - and also a short video showing how the emergency steps are deployed. Hopefully we'll never have to use them in anger!
https://paulbigland.blog/2018/05/05/coming-soon-new-trains-for-the-...When I hear of an update on the first train arriving in the UK, I'll let you know.
Regards,
Paul Bigland
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Thank you for the extra seating pictures Paul - the 'bums on seats' question (whether how many or how firm the seat) has been the media debate recently, but locally the pressing (sorry) question is 'can I get on the first train at my station' which the new trains should help with.
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Indeed. I used to catch the old trains from one of my local stations (Harringay or Hornsey), as you say, there's no point in worrying about the quality of the seats if you can't even get on the train! I think the 717s will make life a lot easier in that respect. They're designed to cope with the peaks and the fact they have less seats shouldn't really matter. There'll still be enough for people in the off-peak.
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Permalink Reply by dubmill on
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Regarding the style of seating on these trains, it looks from your photos to be very similar to the seats on a Thameslink train I travelled on at the weekend between East Croydon and St Pancras. The inside (window) seat I found to be extremely uncomfortable. There was a bulky heating duct (or something similar) at floor level jutting out from the carriage wall, which meant that it was impossible to sit straight in the seat, as there was no space for my foot/leg that was nearest to the wall. I have had back problems in the past, and to avoid a recurrence of these I prefer to sit straight in seats. Instead I was forced to sit at a strange angle. From the photos on your website, it would appear these trains have the same or very similar large duct jutting out from the carriage wall and significantly reducing the space under the inside seat. Appalling design, in my opinion.
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It's an unintended consequence of the DfT requiring as much gangway standing space (and therefore peak capacity) as possible. Until now train seats have had either arm rests or spacers between the window and aisle seats (and between the window seat and the window itself). The new Thameslink and Great Northern trains do not, which makes the gangways about a foot wider, at the cost of what you've eloquently described. Also, two larger-than-average passengers sitting side by side will find the experience 'cosy'.
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Yes, I guessed it was probably something like that. I think the most comfortable train seats I've sat in recently are the ones on the line that goes up the Lea Valley to Hertford East etc. My back was in a delicate state one time, maybe last year, and I couldn't believe how pleasant it was to sit in that train. The seats were comfy but also gave great lower back support. No doubt they'll be due for replacement soon, as well.
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They are to be replaced very soon, some with trains like those to be introduced on our Barking - Gospel Oak line. Can't find an image of the interiors, but those trains are very similar to the Crossrail fleet, for which a Wikimedia image shows they have better seat spacing and fold-down arm rests. We live in hope, those of us who use that line at least.
See https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:British_Rail_Class_345_...
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I'm glad to hear the Barking - Gospel Oak line will have new trains with forward/backward-facing seats, hopefully with reasonable legroom. I was worried they might introduce trains similar to those on other Overground lines, where all the seats face inwards. The seats on those trains are fine to sit on, but when travelling I like to spend my time looking out of the window.
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