Harringay, Haringey - So Good they Spelt it Twice!

New Train Timetable

So the new Timetable is released and it looks like we are getting less trains rather than more from Harringay, I have taken an excerpt between 8:00 and 9:00 for example

New Time table:

08:06 - 08:16 - 08:21 - 08:25 - 08:36 - 08:46 - 08:55

The current time table:

08:05 - 08:15 - 08:21 - 08:25 - 08:31 - 08:35 - 08:46 - 08:52

As someone that endures the 08:31 train every day I am really concerned they have canceled it! I often cannot get onto the train due to over crowding and have to await the 08:35.

Does anyone know a method to complain? This is not an improvement this is a disaster waiting to happen.

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Permalink Reply by John McMullan on April 18, 2018 at 11:04

Imagine paying even more to live near Drayton Park thinking you were only a ten minute train ride away from the city...

I thought that the number of trains in peak hours would not change and so presume there's a new one to replace the 8:31 before 8 or after 9.

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Permalink Reply by Hugh on April 18, 2018 at 11:31

Govia/Thameslilnk/Great Northern ran a consultation on the timetable last year, Jimmy. I, for one, didn't hear about it until the results were being disseminated. Nonethless, I doubt that the company is likely to change anything now. The thing to do, probably, is to be on top of the next consultation. As I understand it, there's some very effective lobbying from passengers further up the line in the commuter towns, but I haven't heard of any passenger group looking after Haringey's interests.

You can, at a minimum, join the Govia/Thameslink/Great Northern passenger panel. There is a complaints process, but I don't know much mileage out of it for a timetable complaint.

There's more on a similar discussion from last week.

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Permalink Reply by Gordon T on April 18, 2018 at 12:44

It's even more galling than that, Jimmy - the former 0831 train will still run, it simply won't stop here!

By not stopping here or at Hornsey, its journey time is (wait for it) a whole 2-3 minutes faster.

Also, in July 2017 the draft timetable maintained the number of trains between 0800 and 0900 at eight as now, and the same number between 0900 and 1000. In the final outcome it's seven and seven.

[The draft calling times were 08:01, 08:09, 08:16, 08:21, 08:31, 08:39, 08:46, 08:52].

And the clock-face 'every 10 mins' off-peak interval has gone for a burton, it;s now 00, 05, 20, 30, 35, 50 to Finsbury Park.

As for protesting, the commuter group in Harpenden protesting (about Thameslink cutting a third of their commuter services) by simply handing out leaflets were threatened by Thameslink with arrest by the police!

*Answer* to John M - no, there's no transference (well, one extra train 0600 - 0659 doesn't cut it with me).

[below is what I posted in July 2017].

Looking at the draft timetable for May 2018 onwards:

Although there will still be six off-peak trains per hour at Harringay and Hornsey, we will lose the 'clockface' every 10 minutes times - xx08, xx18 etc. The departure times will be xx04, xx16, xx28, xx34, xx46, xx58. Metro services usually aim to have a 'clockface' timetable.....

The morning peak services get one extra train (up from 4 to 5) 0600-0659, one extra (up from 7 to 8) 0700-0759, and no extra trains 0800-0959 (remains at 8 per hour).

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Permalink Reply by Hugh on April 18, 2018 at 13:52

You sound like you’re really up to speed on all this, Gordon. You should be HoL’s trains correspondent!

Is it your sense that passenger groups have little impact?

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Permalink Reply by Gordon T on April 18, 2018 at 17:22

For this iteration of the timetable, yes. The definitive timetable will probably be the December 2019 one, so continued comment may have effect further down the line (well, y'need a smile from somewhere). Anyway, GTR is under considerable pressure to devise a timetable that won't fall apart at the first sign of delays, particularly through the Thameslink core at St Pancras, so there is caution at the moment and I don't get the sense that passenger groups will count much versus the benevolent attention of Chris Grayling.

PS Flying Scotsman tomorrow morning, 0825 ;-)

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Permalink Reply by kotkas on April 18, 2018 at 15:30

Is that really this big of a deal? That’s 1 train less for the stated window which is 12.5% decrease - if the new trains have an increased passenger carrying capacity that is proportionate with the decrease in frequency of service then it shouldn’t be that big of an issue...