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Harringay, Haringey - So Good they Spelt it Twice!

The rebranding of our neighbourhood is about to become a live issue again with the Council asserting its claimed right to choose what we're called for the signage to be erected as part of the 2013 regeneration work.

The tussle over Harringay's name has been going on for over a hundred years. Throughout that time it seems to have featured a struggle between the Council, on the one hand, claiming a right to choose and the local people, on the other, demanding a right to self-determination. 

Over a hundred years ago, and long before the creation of Haringey borough, Hornsey District Council decided to change the spelling of Harringay Neighbourhood to Haringey. Local people took exception at this imposition from above and resisted the change. The opinion was expressed by, amongst others, the Harringay Ratepayers Association who represented the people of one of three Harringay Wards. Theirs was in part of what is now St Ann's Ward. The legacy of the struggle can be seen today in the signage along the Harringay Passage.

Local people won the day then and our name was safe until the latter part of the last century when the Council administration decided they had a right to change Harringay's name. Haringey Councillor and cabinet member, Nilgun Canver explained a couple of years back:

Too much emphasis on Harringay confuses everyone with the borough Haringey and I’m afraid it refers to the Harringay ward and excludes the Gardens

It's odd to see the modern day Haringey Labour party, erstwhile representatives of the people, following in the footsteps of the Tory burghers of Hornsey Council. Moreover, I'm afraid this argument just doesn't wash with me. The inhabitants of countless other London boroughs seem to manage perfectly well with boroughs and towns that bear the same name. Islington, Hackney, Camden, Enfield and many others all survive. Perhaps the real issue is that a name was chosen that doesn't share the same name as the Council's chosen administrative capital as it is the case for all the other London boroughs I've mentioned. Their vanity perhaps requires that it should do so. But is this reason enough for us to be stripped of our historical name?

For many people, this whole issue may seem esoteric and rather irrelevant. However, I'm not alone in taking a rather different view. My belief is that for our neighbourhood to thrive and for people to identify with it, it needs to have a single name. Right now, as the traders magazine posted through your door just before Christmas bears witness, we have at least three names. How can our identity and distinctiveness be developed when this is the case.

I said just now that I wasn't alone in taking a stance on this. In New York, Democrat Assemblyman Hakeem Jeffries thought the principle involved in the issue was so important that he introduced the Neighbourhoods Identity Act, requiring New York City to develop a community-oriented process of community agreement before neighbourhoods can be rebranded or boundaries redefined. 

I'm with you Hakeem.

So then, which name? The current variants are:

  • the original Harringay
  • Harringay Green Lanes
  • Green Lanes


Others have been suggested including Harringay Park and Harringay Village.

My choice is simple. I stick with Harringay. Why? Two reasons. Firstly, that's the name we've had for 130 years and I see no need to change it. Secondly, the other names don't work for me. Green Lanes is a road that runs from Newington Green to Enfield. If avoidance of confusion is the aim, this doesn't do it. Harringay Green Lanes is a three word name. Three word names don't stick. Most of them tend to get abbreviated to the first word of the name anyway. Kingston-upon-Thames for example is more commonly called Kingston. St Martins in the Fields is known as St Martins, and so on.

I suppose there is a third reason for me and that's just that I don't like people asserting rights over me that I don't believe they have. I don't believe that the Council or the Green Lanes Strategy Group have the right to change the name of the place I live in, no matter how much good work they may do. That just bridles. No, I'm with the thoroughly democratic instincts of Congressman Hakeem Jeffries. Even if I am a voice in the wilderness, I say if there's any need to tinker with the name of our neighbourhood, then let the community decide what it should be.

In 2013, as things stand the Council and the Green Lanes Strategy Group will assert their right to brand your neighbourhood as they see fit as part of the Harringay regeneration project. I was promised that the community would be given the right to choose and to influence the way that choice was made. In a  few recent email exchanges I have detected the possibility of more than a little back-pedaling on this issue. 

So, once I have written this post, I will email Councillor Canver, Chair of the Green Lanes Strategy Group to ask for her public commitment that the community be given the determining voice in what our neighbourhood is called.

Amendment

The following paragraphs were added as a comment to this thread by the original author on 5th Jan 2013. Since they cover key issues, and I have been told the comment is hard to find, I have copied them in below:

Having picked up on Alan's suggestion to refer to the legal situation for changing an area's name, a relatively quick spin through sources available has turned up some interesting information.

1. A neighbourhood name has no legal status.

2. The closest approximation for any legal status is contained in quasi-legal or "official" gazettes, such as the Royal Mail's PAF Gazette.

However, even though the information they contain is official rather than legal, it's fascinating to see what lengths the Royal Mail has to go to in order to change the name of a neighbourhood.

Their guidance details a three month consultation process in order to allow changing the name of a neighbourhood in its gazette. The process includes writing to every address affected as well as the MP and other official bodies.

3. Street names and numbers are governed by law, as Alan was told. The relevant legislation is the Public Health Acts Amendment Act of 1907. It says:

The local authority may, with the consent of two-thirds in number of the ratepayers, and persons who are liable to pay an amount in respect of council tax, in any street, alter the name of such street or any part of such street.

So, there is no law that governs the naming of neighbourhoods, but there are principles of justice aplenty that should guide the Council in how it behaves in a situation when it seeks to change an area's name.

As Planning Organisation, Planning Sanity puts it, a neighbourhood is:

" an area where inhabitants live and that it is their state of mind as to what constitutes their neighbourhood. A neighbourhood should not be seen to correspond to any legal or physical division, but more as a social concept, the evidence for which may be given by the people who live there."

If we take as a precedent the principles enshrined both in law and official practice and the opinion of urban experts, I can find no precedent or reference to any principle of justice which suggests that a name change can or should be imposed from above by a person, group of persons or body. At every turn I find evidence confirming my belief that the naming of a neighbourhood belongs to the people who inhabit it and should only be changed with painstaking consultation. It seems extraordinary then that any elected member or officer should even be considering  taking it upon themselves or a small semi-official body to rename a neighbourhood however well meaning might be their intent.

In other areas where a change has been sought, consultations have been the norm. Staines is the most recent example.

It's difficult not to wonder, if a Council is prepared to cut corners on allowing local people self-determintaion in less weighty situations such as this, where else are such 'efficiencies' made at the cost of democratic justice?

I remain convinced that unless and until we have a proper process whereby local residents approve a change, the Council should in all documents refer to Harringay as Harringay. 

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Of course there is one way to make Haringey take account of the folks who live in Harringay which would be to set up a Ladder residents' association, properly constituted with elected officers.
1. Yes, I know that The Gardens (who have an RA and a place on the LCSP) and bits of St Ann's and West Green also make up Harringay but you gotta start somewhere.
2. No, I won't do it.

The LCSP is supposedly the Ladder's RA. The chairman, Ian Sygrave, has made the "naming of the area" an agenda item at the LCSP meeting on the 10th of January. If there is to be consultation then it should take the form of "Do we want to change our name from Harringay?" and then another consultation if more than two thirds of us respond positively. Actually I think this would cost a lot of money and can't see the point. So on the whole I am completely against any further consultation and I just wish these people would stop trying to change the name by the back door, and we're probably talking less than a dozen people!

I am guessing that the "C" stands for covert, but what does "L.C.P.S." stand for. I mean that as in an acronym.

Ladder Community Safety Partnership

Ladder Community Safety Partnership (LCSP) - set up years ago to co-ordinate the various neighbourhood watches on each ladder rd (although I don't think all roads had one). Before we had Safer Neighbourhood Teams our area beat police officer Glyn Kelly helped co-ordinate this work with the LCSP. He probably still does.

This is why the LCSP still has a strong remit with local crime & safety issues but also fly tipping and planning issues. When the GLSG came along to try and co-ordinate a response to the gang violence in our area it made sense to have a representative from the LCSP on the GLSG.

 All these organisations have evolved over time but whether they should be trying to rename the area as a part of their remit - who knows! 'Harringay' makes sense to me & it seems many others on this thread. 'Harringay Green Lanes' sounds like a marketing thing for the traders along the Harringay part of Green Lanes to build some sort of identity. Can understand why they'd want to do that.

What would be wrong is if the council then started using the name 'Harringay Green Lanes' on all their literature. If it's part of a council lead 're-branding exercise' then there should be a referendum question on this in the next local elections, co-ordinated through the polling stations. This will reduce the cost as staff are already there to take the voting papers and do the counting. 

Thank you both. I didn't know it existed.

". . . whether they should be trying to rename the area . . ."

This interpretation is rejected by Cllr Nilgun Canver.

And I have seen nothing which suggests that 'The Council' is about to start "using Harringay Green Lanes on all their literature".

The logical problem with such loaded questions is that they contain the implication that the statement is true.

What exactly are you saying is rejected by Nilgun? and do you have any links or emails you can show where she does that? The GLSG are openly admitting that they did decide to rename the area to Harringay Green Lanes, as just one eg this email to Alison, which says "we settled to call the area as 'Harringay Green Lanes'".

http://www.haringey.gov.uk/public_realm_improvements

"The council is currently working with The Green Lanes Strategy Group, who has secured funding from the Mayor’s Outer London Fund, to make a real difference to the appearance of the Harringay Green Lanes area. The scheme will play a key role in revitalising the area and making it a more attractive place to shop and live."

Alan, as Ant says, Nilgun has made a clear statement about a GLSG decision to rename the area and explained why. It was quoted earlier. You seem to ignore it.

And the Council isn't "about to start using" Harringay Green Lanes on all their literature. The Council has been almost exclusively using Green Lanes or Harringay Green Lanes to refer to Harringay since at least 2007 when I started taking notice of such things. 

Even the local press are tamely repeating the Council's line. I guess they might have a vested interest too...

Actually Matt I think you have summed it all up very well. The Ladder safety people should stick to safety issues on the ladder and the Green Lanes strategy people should try to think up strategies on how to make Green Lanes safe and shopper friendly.

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