Harringay, Haringey - So Good they Spelt it Twice!
Wood Green getting crossrail 2
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Permalink Reply by StephenBln on
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the comment that started like this:
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Permalink Reply by HoL Site Admin on
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You mean like the one that's showing above?
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Hey OK, I give up.. thanks :-)
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Permalink Reply by Clive Carter on
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Hugh, I accept that this is a screenshot … however, I can't see Stephen's post either!
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For the avoidance of doubt, Haringey Liberal Democrats certainly welcome the proposals for a northwest extension of Crossrail 2: and the original TfL route.
My impression is that David Lammy MP (who chairs the all-party Parliamentary group on Crossrail-2) holds the same view. His website strongly suggests that.
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Permalink Reply by Hugh on
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We've obviously got the gremlins in. I'm shooting for the RFU at Twickers today. I'll have a root around when I get back.
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Permalink Reply by Alan Stanton on
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This may be a possible explanation, Stephen.
On some occasions I've edited my comment within the permitted 15 minutes. (Actually it seems about 12/13 minutes) Then realised I'd made a serious error. So deleted my initial post and then almost immediately reposted it as a fresh comment with the correction incorporated.
Result? A blank comment - which Hugh has sometimes helpfully rescued.
Does that help?
P.S. I'm interested in your comments about the planning of these new lines. Have you come across Jane Jacobs' views on the planning of metro lines in Toronto?
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Permalink Reply by Michael Anderson on
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Interestingly Jacobs was a standard bearer for increasing urban density and mixed use development. I do think though that it's difficult to draw conclusions from her work that are generally applicable to all cities. She looked at New York (specifically Manhattan) and Toronto, two cities with geographical features that govern their growth. Being an island for the former and on the shore of a Lake Ontario for the latter.
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I suspect, Michael, that her observations and insights are rich in lots of ways I didn't appreciate until fairly recently when I reread "Dark Age Ahead" (2004) after seeing an article by Cllr Joe Goldberg claiming her as a supporter of what he's doing. And also reread "Death and Life of Great American Cities" (1961), to realise once again why she remains a sound guide for what makes a safe, attractive, well used city park. And for many other aspects of successful city living.
As you probably know, in the intervening forty years she wrote books and articles, and campaigned. I very much regret that I never thought of finding some way go and listen to her give a talk - which I'm sure she must have done.
If she'd lived a little longer we might have hada Ted talk. Or maybe there's or video or podcast or two around which I don't know about?
If anyone has some old unwanted copies of her books they want to sell or give away, do let me know. I keep lending - in effect giving away - copies of "Death & Life..." And I suspect I'll want to do the same with "Dark Age Ahead" and others. (That's the one with some notes critiquing the planning of the metro.)
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The outcome of the Crossrail 2 project has been published
https://consultations.tfl.gov.uk/crossrail2/october2015/user_upload...
Broad findings for Haringey are;
Support for the Turnpike Lane route
Little support for the Wood Green route
Concerns over a proposal for a ventilation shaft in Downhills Park
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Michael, many thanks for the link.
The survey results are consistent with the survey undertaken by Haringey Liberal Democrats
The Lib Dems backed the Turnpike Lane/Alexandra Palace station route for Crossrail 2 because we want to see the Palace flourish. We also believe Turnpike Lane needs regeneration and provides better interchanges, making it a better choice for Crossrail 2.
That is a view very clearly backed by local residents who responded to the Crossrail 2 consultation.
In the Crossrail 2 consultation:- 85% of comments received about a Crossrail 2 Station at Turnpike Lane were supportive
- 80% of comments received about a Crossrail 2 Station at Alexandra Palace were supportive
- In comparison only 28% of comments received about a Crossrail 2 Station at Wood Green were supportive, with 68% of comments expressing concerns
The results are very similar to our Lib Dem survey of local residents which found 78.5% of local residents who responded, backed the Alexandra Palace/Turnpike Lane route and only 21.5% backed the Wood Green Station route.
I continue to believe the Council has wasted time and effort in promoting the Wood Green so-called "option" that was intended to promote property development in a relatively small area. That ill-advised, blinkered approach has, I believe, led to confusion and complication and it assisted Lord Adonis' recommendation to delay the entire north-west spur.
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Don't know if the Wood Green/Turnpike Lane spur was a major contributor to a delay Clive. If you read the report the biggest fuss is happening in Wandsworth and Chelsea. As both have Conservative members of Parliament Lord Adonis had to make sure that both they and their constituents were very, very happy.
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