Harringay, Haringey - So Good they Spelt it Twice!
Two important dates for Route 29 this month
November 2011 is an eventful month for Route 29.
1. 20th November sees its 100th anniversary.
2. 26th November sees the last bendy bus on the route (and two weeks later with the withdrawal of the buses from Route 207, the end of the bendies in London).
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Permalink Reply by Ruth on
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There was nothing in those messages about summary executions for fare dodgers nor curfews for strollers. As for the Freedom pass- this is an absolute necessity and any threat to take it away should be dealt with quickly. I work with older people and without this, the use of public transport, many would be isolated even further, stuck at home and all sorts of issues relating to that. I don't think anyone here is suggesting that older people, wheelchairs, or strollers should be banned! Surely what is emerging here is the diversity of public transport users, the different needs and preferences and views which perhaps transport planners don't take account of. There is no such thing as the 'standard' passenger. Some like to and are able to go upstairs on d.deckers, others are not.
European buses on London streets- it's not political but practical. As we didn't have a proper revolution and barricade building as for eg the French did, there was no subsequent building of wide boulevards, straight and easy to send in the troops in to quell the masses, as happened in places like Paris. And the former communist block countries.
Re- driveresses- do we need such an ugly word? We no longer use the term actresses, they are all actors regardless of gender so let's stick to drivers!
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Permalink Reply by StephenBln on
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Nein, Non, No, ... I won't let this European 'Boulevard myth' stand..
There are plenty of European cities without Boulevards that use articulated buses without any problems at all.. The difference to Britain is that they serverely restrict / control parking at and before bus stops..
The real issue is - how you run and control your city life.. it always appears to me to be chaotic in the UK - with everyone continually whinging that it's always 'everyone elses fault'..
Stuttgart runs these bendy buses and certainly has no 'Boulevards'.. http://www.flickr.com/photos/isarsteve/4822043080/lightbox/
Munich runs these with an extra door - to assist passengers with buggies.. only one Boulevard there, which BTW has no bus service.. http://www.flickr.com/photos/isarsteve/5839380829/in/set-7215760735...
Both do however, have extensive bus priority systems where approaching buses set traffic lights to green.. Something else that would considered 'unfair' in the UK..
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err, ja ich glaube.. I think we do
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Permalink Reply by Germana on
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there was actually a pretty unfriendly statement by pamish about "those **%^&*^ 4x4 buggies". As the owner of a largish buggy (yes, a pretty expensive one, which I however bought second hand, and is such good quality it is now in its seventh year...while the lighter Maclaren is already broken and had to be thrown away) I can just say - people please be tolerant and try to put yourself in other people's shoes. There may be some people who buy large pushchairs as a fashion statement for sure, but most of us made all sorts of important considerations in choosing one, including what was best for a tiny baby.
You can put a newborn in a crappy small foldable pushchair, but it might not be ideal for their back and their neck, particularly when getting up and down the bus. In fact, most of them are not supposed to be used until the baby is at least 6 months old. On top of that the larger ones are more stable (my lighter, folding buggy once tipped over sideways on a bus when my first child was about one, which was very scary, although nothing happened to him fortunately). They are also much more manoeuvrable with one hand if you are holding another child's hand or carrying something.
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You haven't read my post properly. The pushchair I have can be folded, but it requires the help of another adult if I am to hold my newborn safely while the bus moves and also hold my 4 year old's hand. I have every right to move around London.
There are some pushchairs that can be folded with one hand, but they are generally not the ones suitable for newborns. Also, the vast majority of pushchairs that people own require two hands to be folded, which by definition means someone else has to hold a child that can't walk... So unless someone invents better buggies, we mothers don't have the same right as anyone else to move around according to your way of thinking.
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Permalink Reply by pamish on
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Precisely. So buggies are not really designed to be folded. But the notice on the bus says, buggies may need to be folded. So they are now a product of major overdesign, where space for a cup holder is prioritised over flexibility. I just don't understand why they need to be so huge. What about a sling for the newborn?
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Permalink Reply by John D on
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Along with your bookmakers ?
" I say line all the bookmakers up against a wall and shoot them. "
Are you for or against summary execution ?
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Permalink Reply by Christopher Fowler on
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Let's maintain a sense of proportion on execution (I never said it should be "summary"). Bookmakers - yes. Estate agents - yes. Bankers - definitely. Fare dodgers - a bit excessive really; they could just be shipped off for five years in the salt mines.
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@ C Fowler, Goodness me, what a rant. Note that I singled out the 4x4 buggies. No problem with child-sized ones. They are meant to be foldable. But there are some now that are just huge and full of fat lumps that dont do anything, and they cost a fortune. I was squashed aside the other day by one with a massive plastic dashboard, with special indents for coffee cups. Surprised it didn't have satnav.
I have seen a wheelchair user refused entry to a bus because there was one of these monster buggies taking up the w/c space. What pissed me off most, was that the driver of the buggy didn't seem to be at all embarrassed.
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