Harringay, Haringey - So Good they Spelt it Twice!
Traffic group meeting this week
Anyone able to give us an update on what happened at the traffic study meeting on Monday? One of the steering group members have suggested "The next couple of months could be critical and we will need to lobby", so would be good if we could all be kept updated on what happens at the meetings.
On a related note, these from the HCC meeting minutes:
(1) Gary Smith of LBH is working on a 2-way scheme for Tottenham lane existing 1-way section
(2) There are sketch proposals for a W bound segregated cycle lane on Turnpike Lane W from Wightman Rd.
(3) Wightman Rd:
- it was agreed the pinch points must go
- filtering ladder roads at the lane a possibility but would increase travel distances for residents traveling E/W.
- Pavement parking should be removed, parking one side of road (alternating) possible.
- Introduce zebra crossings.
- There should be a timed N bound cycle lane on green Lanes as a minimum.
Those all sound interesting. (1) could help a lot with all the congestion that was around the bus stop by the New River there while Wightman was closed. That (2) means up the hill under the railway bridge I think, would be good, I usually ride on the footpath there as the road seems too dangerous.
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Permalink Reply by Gordon T on
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"cheap to install and maintain" above, Ant - even cheaper to maintain now it seems - one of the two bollards has been down for at least the past month.
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Permalink Reply by ant on
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And yet even now with that bollard down for over a month the Gardens are still largely free from through traffic. As long as they're up sometimes they seem to keep away most of the rat runners.
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Permalink Reply by Michael Anderson on
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I get the feeling the Gardens scheme was introduced in this way because of pressure from the then local councillors. Talking to some of the people who lived there at the time it isn't actually what they wanted, they were after something more along the Living Streets idea where the landscape of the streets activity discouraged people cutting through. A scheme like that has a high initial cost and, local government finance being what it is, that large upfront cost ruled it out. So Haringey are stuck with the costs of management. I doubt they'd make the same mistake again and any similar scheme would be expected to be cost neutral (I.e. fees would be at a level to cover maintenance and management). In order to make the charge legal (everyone who lived in the area covered by the scheme would have to pay if they have a vehicle) the consultation arrangements would have to be very robust.
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Permalink Reply by Nick on
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Not so great for anyone on the 'East' side of the bollards. The permanent bollards are the worst idea of the lot.
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Send comments on these 13 packages to a steering group member or directly to Razak.Mahama@haringey.gov.uk.
What they're looking for is to reduce these options to a short list of less than 10 that will go out to public consultation, so probably focus on reasons why packages or individual items in a package should or shouldn't be included in the short list.
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Permalink Reply by Alice Mezzo on
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Thanks for continuing the discussion about how to improve traffic in our neighbourhood. Just thinking, from my perspective one of the most important factors is the dangerous level of pollution the excessive traffic is causing. Has there been any consideration of closing Wightman road at particular times? For example, one day a week/ at night/ weekends? (This is just a suggestion - please don't bite my head off those who want it open all hours)
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Permalink Reply by Olly on
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I can't see closing it being practical. Wightman either feeds or accepts ladder traffic so really has to remain open at all times.
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Permalink Reply by John D on
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FGS stop fiddling with this.
The problem is not the streets - they're fine.
The problem is too many cars. Get people out of their cars and the traffic, parking on pavements and the pollution all disappear. As Jan VH says there are solutions but they will be unpopular - tough.
In the past, I have suggested rationing petrol and nobody was able to come up with a valid objection. My father got rid of his car in the fifties when he used up his annual ration in a month or two.
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I don't think thats it. The problem for the Ladder is that its become completely surrounded by other areas that have already had measures taken to restrict through traffic and thats pushed all the through traffic onto the Ladder. Thats what this study exercise was supposed to be addressing.
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Permalink Reply by Paul Harding on
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Apologies for not reading through the 7 pages of this thread to see if this has been answered already, but is there figures to show the amount of cars using Wightman/Green Lanes before and after the bridge works?
From what I've noticed living on the ladder and along the stretch in front of our shop - it is LOADS quieter since the bridge reopened. Especially Wightman. I've not seen any traffic worth mentioning on GL either.
It almost feels like all this talk of traffic calming is a bit pointless now and some of the ideas like no right turn here and no through road there are just bonkers. Definitely not concocted by anyone who actually needs to drive a car around Harringay regularly.
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It would of course have to be a nationwide rationing scheme. The ladder is not the only place to suffer from congestion and pollution, nor is London.
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Permalink Reply by John McMullan on
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The Mayor of Paris is looking to reduce the number of private motor vehicles using the city centre by half, her main method of doing this is closing roads. Her sole reason is to tackle the illegal levels of pollution. More here.
Why isn't the Mayor of Paris tinkering like Haringey propose to do?
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