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Harringay, Haringey - So Good they Spelt it Twice!

I'm not sure whether this has been shared elsewhere on HOL - can't see it in a search but...

We have recently received a note through our front door that the St Ann's Low Traffic Neighbourhood will be implemented on 22 August.

This is a heads-up for anyone living in or driving through the area between West Green Road and St Ann's Road.  There will no longer be a direct route between the two major roads unless you are a bus or have a 'X2' exemption pass. 

Woodlands Park Road, Black Boy Lane, Cornwall Road and Avenue Road will all be closed to through traffic. 

The restriction points will be monitored by CCTV, so no doubt LBH will be issuing lots of PCNs!  Drivers beware!

I attach two documents, one a map of the area showing the traffic cells as they will be after implementation, and the other the supporting document.

Tags for Forum Posts: low traffic neighbourhoods, st anns ltn, traffic

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I’ve often wondered if John Lennon had read it before he wrote ‘imagine’,

I have been about today - on foot in the western section, and by bike over east of Black Boy Lane, and was struck by the extremely low traffic levels, rather than a 'schools back' mayhem.  Cornwall and Avenue roads in particular seemed eerily quiet!

Perhaps the large temporary signs saying 'No Through Route to...' that have appeared over the last couple of days are having the right effect!

St Ann's Road seemed very quiet as well - I wonder whether that is an LTN effect?

Could be Geoff , We have 18 months to find out.

Geoff — Rather than being in Harringay, I was in King’s Cross/St Pancras and Camden early this afternoon and it was also surprisingly quiet, with less traffic than usual on Euston Road and barely any on normally busy routes such as Midland Road, Pancras Road and Camden High Street. The LTN may be playing a part of course, but it looks as though there could have been a general traffic reduction across quite a big area, for some reason.

As to Geoff Amalbino's and Huisfuis's views they have clearly not seen who is paying for the LTN. Yesterday and today between 8and 9am I observed the westbound traffic on West Green Road backed up all the way from the Green Lanes junction to Blackboy Lane roundabout, over half a mile of crawling polluting traffic. And stuck in all this were the 41, 67, 230 and W4 buses. Further up at the Turnpike Lane bus station the junction with Carlingford Road was blocked (it is a two way road over a single track) as vehicles tried to access Green Lanes that way. This resulted in the entrance to the bus station being blocked so buses southbound on Green Lanes were queueing to try to enter the station. Last night around 6pm it was also gridlock with northbound vehicles on Green Lanes queueing back over two sets of lights to try to turn right onto West Green Road. The LTN has created a public transport disruption (surely the opposite of the vastly over lauded aims of the LTN) and heavily polluted those that live and work on the boundary roads.

One does not need to be a professor of liquid flow dynamics to know that when you block three streams to traffic it will find its way to the remaining open stream. For the St Anns traffic that is now Harringay Road and Colina Road. The LTN has made a nightmare for many and I can see no environmental or social justice reason for it. Traffic calming road surfaces and proper cycles lanes not on the pavement would have dealt with any traffic issues within the St Anns LTN area. I myself cycle and am still horrified that within the St Anns LTN zone cyclists, some with kids on the bike, still go the wrong way down one way roads.

Just another waste of our money that could have been spent on improving citizenship.

Is/was parking in any way a contributory factor to the gridlock you describe yesterday and today along WG Road and the other "boundary roads"?

JP — LTN proponents keep telling us of their belief in traffic “evaporation”. Presumably this means those trying to get through on the remaining route will just end up driving further to get round the jams and using more petrol — but at least it’ll then be somebody else’s problem, so it’ll count as a success.

Is there any evidence that the blockages you mention are being monitored? Traffic counters on the streets, for instance? Of course, if Carlingford has to take all the displaced traffic from West Green, this will just play into council hands as evidence of the need for more road closures: create a brand new problem where there wasn’t one before, then “solve” it by imposing restrictions you always intended to implement anyway.

The impact on buses you report is exactly as I feared it would be. The LTN plans appear entirely driven by ideology and pressure from the cycling lobby, with no consideration for public transport users. It’s self-evident that when you make major roads busier and more congested buses suffer from the resulting gridlock, but the myopia of the LTN planners doesn’t let them see beyond their idea that everyone is supposed to walk or cycle, irrespective of physical ability, and prevents them from supporting public transport before they start closing streets.

The Carlingford one will only be a short term issue as that LTN will be coming a week on Monday so there will be no entrance/exit by the bus station (it's always been an unpleasant junction that one).

Although one element of "evaporation" is traffic being moved to other roads, the key element is it being moved to other modes of transport. People deciding that journeys taking more time/petrol mean they should switch to walking, cycling, scooter, bus, tube, etc

There is lots of monitoring going on. The document here provides plenty of detail

https://www.haringey.gov.uk/sites/haringeygovuk/files/22-08-23_st_a...

I agree that public transport in the area needs sorting. There is a good volume of buses and routes but too often it is delayed because inefficient car traffic is prioritised above all else.

That's a shame, I used Carlingford twice yesterday to rat run. and does that mean they'll add extra restrictions to Terront Rd??. Sadly, for two hours a day I'm trapped and forced to rat run there if I have too.

Terront Road is already part of the St Ann's LTN, and the only place you can go by car at the south end is to Woodlands Park Road and back north to West Green Road.  If the school street is in place you have to turn around...

Where have you seen cyclists going the wrong way? On many roads, it is permitted as indicated by signs (eg the newly one way etherley road). 

The council has done a great job. Today is the same, West Green Road is more of a traffic jam than a road, which makes it so much easier to get across now. All those buses using West Green Road as a rat run has been a menace for years, so great to see them all stationary now. Well done Haringey!

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