Harringay, Haringey - So Good they Spelt it Twice!
St Ann's LTN start date - 22 August
I'm not sure whether this has been shared elsewhere on HOL - can't see it in a search but...
We have recently received a note through our front door that the St Ann's Low Traffic Neighbourhood will be implemented on 22 August.
This is a heads-up for anyone living in or driving through the area between West Green Road and St Ann's Road. There will no longer be a direct route between the two major roads unless you are a bus or have a 'X2' exemption pass.
Woodlands Park Road, Black Boy Lane, Cornwall Road and Avenue Road will all be closed to through traffic.
The restriction points will be monitored by CCTV, so no doubt LBH will be issuing lots of PCNs! Drivers beware!
I attach two documents, one a map of the area showing the traffic cells as they will be after implementation, and the other the supporting document.
Tags for Forum Posts: low traffic neighbourhoods, st anns ltn, traffic
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Permalink Reply by Don on
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Well, up to a point Lord Copper…. The map (shown at the top of this thread) and leaflet were only distributed about a week or 10 days before the LTN went live, and were the first specific information anyone received. I don’t think the map is anything like clear enough and (haven’t got it to hand to check) I don’t recollect anything about the X2 permits some people can claim so as to cross the frontier — in fact, the leaflet was remarkably light on details of exemptions at all.
It also barely mentions that this is — supposedly — a trial, and doesn’t say how long it will last, what the measurement criteria are, or how residents can comment; you’d think the council didn’t want any feedback, wouldn’t you? It’s all very well burying these details in the Traffic Orders (someone referred to them in an earlier post), but most people won’t go to the trouble of wading through acres of council webpages to find this out.
The council’s consultation MO appears to be “divide and rule”: split the borough into small parcels, extol the claimed virtues of road closure to one area at a time and make sure nobody in adjacent areas gets to comment until it’s too late to see what impact closures in one place will have on another. The “master plan” on the council website shows the whole borough turned into a no-go zone for vehicles, with the exception of a very few trunk routes that are already at danger-level capacity, but each consultation (deliberately?) obscures the bigger picture. If the council succumbs to the same kind of minority pressure group on the Ladder as it did in St Ann’s, when will people outside that area get a say — especially if they have the misfortune to live on a so-called “boundary road”? Oh, but that’s OK — their quality of life is self-evidently far less important than that of those safely corralled inside the next putative LTN. Isn’t it?
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Permalink Reply by PeterPiper on
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For Barbara, with reference to the Ladder Project, which is a bit off topic, LBH has engaged consultants from Norman Rourke Pryme to bring forward proposals.
I have no idea what the consultancy fee is, but in all likelihood it has been budgeted for and details should be available on the LBH website, maybe under the budget heading. A request to one of your councillors might yield results, or the cabinet member for environment and transport, Mike Hakata.
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Thanks Peter...I've just looked at their website...SO UNBIASED! Just look at their publicity! Well this will be useful to know.
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"We design, model and monitor schemes in some of the most confined and busy streets in the UK, applying emerging strategies such as Liveable Neighbourhoods and Healthy Streets. NRP traffic engineers harness sophisticated techniques to develop and appraise schemes and strategies to keep everyone moving safely and efficiently, recognising that solutions need to be adaptable to local constraints, aspirations and opportunities." (NRP)
Your block capitals suggest you think this is a statement of bias, Perhaps you could recommend some other consultants/specialists/experts who you don't feel are biased. I would be happy to read their mission statement, or maybe you have your own solution to the climate change emergency that you'd like to propose on this thread. Exxon/Mobile suppressed their own research back in the day which is probably why we are in the current situation.
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Permalink Reply by John McMullan on
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We should get in some consultants who know how to knock down terraces, and build roads. A problem with the ladder is that it needs more space for vehicles to queue before they head across to Crouch End (or even back to Tottenham!). So let's pick the road with the least valuable houses and demolish the northern side and put in a new road. Lots more space for us all to drive then.
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Well, you could always block Turnpike Lane, Endymion Road and West Green Road, I suppose; after all, why would anyone from Harringay ever want to go to those foreign parts? Just look at all the cinemas, football stadiums, picture framers, bookshops, etc, etc, on Green Lanes from the Arena to the Salisbury. Who needs to travel?
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The signage isn't sufficient or working. This morning I watched a hearse (full) stop at the planters on Black Boy Lane when the poor driver finally noticed that something had changed and a tow truck (also fully laden) having to make a prolonged redirection.
I support the LTN (at least as a trial) but the Council has to have more prominent signage in the areas people drive through BEFORE getting into the LTN. The signage also needs to be clear without cryptic references to an "LTN is operation in St Anns".
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Permalink Reply by pamish on
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Have they tried to do it on the cheap? How much does a metal sign cost to get made and installed? LBH may think they have covered their back by sticking a sign on a flowerbed, but if cameras are already being vandalised that likely means someone feels they have been entrapped.
There needs to be big 'LTN' signs at the entrance to each of the newly affected roads, and lots of No Through Road signs ditto.
If this is seriously about cutting pollution not raising revenue, there must be every technique applied to stopping wasted trips along roads that go nowhere.
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Yes but - thinking of the car as being for transport is missing so much about car culture.
If cars were about transport, they would be boring, all the same except there would small/medium/large versions. They would be designed to go best at 20mph as that is now the default speed in cities and towns. They would not have got so huge that current cars don't fit in older garages and overhang pavements and parking bays. They would not have an entire 'entertainment centre' on the dash.
They would not be the dream purchase of teenagers' first paypackets. (Teenagers would have other places to hang out with their friends out of view of their parents.)
Adverts for cars would show them doing 5mph around tesco's car park, not cresting a stunning hill in Italy at sunset.They would be made to last years and years not swapped out every 3 years in a never-ending loan scheme.
The UK would not depend on the£74billion of revenue from the auto trade. (OK that includes buses.)
Bicycles are not quite sexy enough.
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