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I bought a house in the Gardens last year, which is great. The only downside to rental property next door uses the room adjoining the living room as a bedroom and noise from ourside seems to leak quite well into the bedroom next door (thinking TV noise, loud talking).

To avoid this, I've been looking into soundproofing the party wall (which would kinda be a pain, as it still have the original chimney which I want to keep) which would hopefully make an impact on this. I was wondering if anyone had had similar work down and if they found it was successful or not.


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If I understand your post correctly, you want to deal with noise transmitting from your living room to next door's bedroom. Is that right? If so I'm impressed that you're considerate enough to deal with your own noise.

Another option is to see if it's easier to soundproof from the other side. It might be that the chimney has been removed, or is out of commission. 

Please do let us know the outcome. 

Yea that's exactly it, basically I want to be able relax without worrying about disturbing my neighbour.

I'll see what the chimney situation is from the other side, but knowing landlords, generally I think they would want to avoid paying money if they don't have to, and I can probably fit some of this in with renovation works I'm planning early next year.

Yea I'll let you know how it goes (although the actually update on that might be a good few months away :) )

It sounds like you’re willing to pay to execute these works. My thoughts were that if they could be tackled from the other side, you would leave your side undisturbed - but still pay for the works. It’s free for the landlord to protect the well-being of his tenants and you get to keep your fireplace. 

To be honest thats not a bad idea at all, saves me losing the space.

I just spoke to some soundproofers today, and they suggest that it's likely to be the alcoves where most of the noise is permeating thought, so it might actually be (hopefully) a fairly easy fix

If you pay for soundproofing for your neighbours' flat, you will be helping them, which is generous. But if you do it on their side of the party wall, in a property belonging to their landlord, you will help the landlord increase the value of their property, while getting no gain in the value of your own property. Do you really want to give your money to a landlord? As for the area that will be allowing the most noise through, it will obviously be the alcoves, as the chimney area has a lot greater thickness of brick wall. Also, if you are concerned about not losing any space, why not actually _gain_ some space by having the chimney breast taken out? Global warming means you are never going to be able to use it as a chimney, and it is just reducing your space for no purpose. I'm not trying to be negative, just offering some thoughts.

I guess another issue is, there is no guarantee on the neighbours side that it wouldn't be removed at some point (especially if the chimney breast on there side was removed at some point.

I'd rather not remove the chimney breast on our side as part of the reason to buy a the property in the first place was the aesthetics of a victorian property (I also plan to have one of the fireplaces reinstated, but looking at the options, gas probably would have been a reasonable choice before the latest price hike :) )

Fully understand the desire to retain the chimney breast, and even re-open the fire place, to maximise the Victorian aesthetic and sense of time. However, I am pretty sure (speaking as someone who studied Climatology, and knew from the early 1970s that global warming was happening, and what would happen in the UK if it continued unchecked, as it basically has) that no-one will be allowed to burn any fossil fuel (wood, coal, gas, oil) for home heating very soon. I think it will be completely forbidden by 2035, and any conversions to re-open fire places for burning fossil fuels will be banned before then. The worst thing to do is use wood for burning. The major cause of dangerous particulate emissions in the UK is wood-burning fires/stoves; it's more serious than particulates from diesel fuel, which is being rapidly phased out. I suspect that after 2030 it will be impossible to sell a property with any kind of fossil fuel burning heating.

Yea that makes sense, I had a quick look at electric fires and there appears to be some ultra realistic ones (https://www.dimplex.co.uk/ for example) so that could well be the option I end up going for in the end (assuming I actually end up placing a fire in there).

Yes, I am pretty sure you are right. And if you have some garden space, you could generate heat from an (expensive) air/ground source heat pump. At the moment, it is hard to generate enough electricity or heat from rooftop solar panels to heat a home.

There is a youtuber called the Gosforth Handyman who recently produced a couple of videos on soundproofing. He know's his stuff and he did just the alcoves. He shows two different methods: 



In the past, I've screwed 44mm x 44mm softwood batons to the wall (chimney breast and alcoves) and fixed cavity wall bats (you can use gorilla tape to hold in position) which are thick matting, not rolls of loft insulation, between the batons. I then screwed 13mm thick soundproof plasterboard to the batons, and finally had the plasterboard skim coated with plaster. New skirting board is then fixed to the batons (you should mark the floor where the center of the batons are, so you know where to screw the new skirting board). Hope this helps. 

You can also use large sheets (usually 50-100mm thick), 8'x4', which you can spot-glue to the walls, and cover with plasterboard, supporting the plasterboard using small battens attached to the floor, side-walls, and ceiling. That reduces the transmission of noise through the 44x44 battens that can be used, as you suggest. If you use screws to attach 44x44 battens to the wall, you should try to counter-sink the screw heads about 20mm, filling in the hole left above the screw heads with plastic wood or similar. This reduced noise transmission through the (steel) screws. Any system/structure is only as strong or effective as its weakest element.



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