Harringay, Haringey - So Good they Spelt it Twice!
Residents Association for Harringay Ladder
A number of HOL contributors have suggested that there is a need for a Harringay Ladder Residents Association (RA) - in particular so that those residents can be represented on, or have access to, various Haringey Council Groups, such as the Finsbury Park Stakeholders Group; and can also present a united front to the Council on matters such as parking, rubbish collection, developments, etc as well as promoting appropriate cultural events.
Membership would presumably be open to residents aged over 16 within the following boundaries:
Green Lanes West, from Endymion Rd to Turnpike Lane
Turnpike Lane South, from Green Lanes to Wightman Rd
Both sides of Wightman Rd and Alroy Rd
Endymion Rd
As a first step, it will be necessary to assemble a group of interested people to form an interim committee to discuss what form the RA should take and to agree a constitution, after which the RA can be formally established ( to be effective, an RA has to conform to various legal requirements ) . It would be necessary at an early stage to consider whether the proposed Ladder RA would conflict with any other RAs in the catchment area.
I would like to hear from anyone who is prepared to take part in this initial work ( and it will involve work ) by email to macbeast76@hotmail.com,. Please give full name and your preferred email address and outline any special areas of expertise that could be useful to the RA.
If you have read this far, thank you for your interest 
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Permalink Reply by ant on
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The nearly 700 views of this discussion shows there is interest John, but I think what you need is to offer something a bit different from the other existing community groups.
In one of Michaels comments above he mentions using HoL as place where the RA communication and debate can happen, that would be different from what most other groups do so why not pick that to start with? Make it a Harringay "online" RA with a focus being online interaction instead of the traditional monthly meetings in a church hall. Happy to have a chat if you want to talk more about that sort of approach.
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Permalink Reply by Michael Anderson on
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I think your are right in that HoL is a great vehicle to get messages across and debate going but my worry would be that if it were the sole medium we would miss out on the large number of people who don't access their information on line. I'm thinking about a number of my neighbours I have a talk with in the street but who don't get involved with this website.
The idea of a chat about how to get things off the ground is a good one. John D (and anyone else interested), you up for it?
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Permalink Reply by John D on
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Well, yes. But isn't that what Harringayonline does already?
It's often said that HOL isn't representative of residents who are not active on the internet or for whom English is not their first language.
^^ wot he said
Will be in touch with those who have expressed an interest to set up a face-to-face.
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It is suggested that HoL isn't representative, but often from people with a vested interest in some other group. Personally, i think these days far more people are likely to have access to the internet than are likely to be able to make it along to a 7pm meeting in some hall so the a group with an online aspect is likely to be _more_ inclusive, especially if there is also the odd face-to-face meeting as well. The other past criticisms of HoL discussion is that it has no weight as its not be from any formally constituted group, but that would be easy to fix for your new RA group. Anyway, just a suggestion, no worries if you're not interested.
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I don't think it's one or the other Ant but a mixture of the two.
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Peter - it was not a statement of fact, that is why I said I think rather than I know. Perhaps part of the problem is that I know little about what the LCSP do. I also see that the LCSP have campaigned for the things you list. I know nothing about this, my opinion has not been sought and the outcome of the campaigns communicated to me.
Many people cannot or do not want to attend a monthly meeting but would like to know what is happening. For years now I have failed to understand why they don't publicise their meetings, and the campaigns you mention, on this website. It is read by a few thousand people many of whom live in the area covered by the LCSP.
The difference that I see is that rather than telling people to individually take their concerns as you have stated above, an RA could be a collective voice to raise these as a community.
I am also not saying that the LCSP lacks independence - I don't think that I have mentioned that anywhere. I do think that is would be difficult for them, as a group that brings together residents and bodies like the Police, for them to say that we, the LCSP, think that Haringay have got it wrong about things like waste collection.
By the way, many people who live in the area do get their hands dirty and do things that benefit the local community but they may not all be LCSP attendees.
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Permalink Reply by Hugh on
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HoL was put at the disposal of the LCSP almost as soon as it was launched in 2007. The offer remains open.
For the record, Google Analytics shows that HoL gets about 300,000 views from 30,00 different people every month.
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Permalink Reply by PeterPiper on
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-Hugh,
HoL has been marvelous as regards the LCSP, the archives contain a wealth of information regarding it’s activities, and thanks to you, it’s meetings are publicised.
I didn’t realise the extensive reach of HoL, your figures are very impressive, however there aren’t to my knowledge 30,000 different people resident on Harringay Ladder which is the LCSP’s catchment area.
Unfortunately, some LCSP members have explained in meetings and communications that they are not happy posting on HoL because of the treatment they have received from ‘anonymous’ posters who may or may not be Ladder residents, - there is no way of telling because it is an open social network chat-site. I think that other Resident Associations feel the same and to my knowledge they do not use HoL as a forum - please correct me if I’m wrong.
One other issue is the copyright of HoL whereby any LCSP forum might be compromised, I’m sure you understand.
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Permalink Reply by John McMullan on
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Why do you put anonymous in quotes? Are these people anonymous or are they not? I think we need to list them and get them kicked off but frankly the treatment I have seen meted out to people attending LCSP meetings, whilst more subtle, might explain to you why some people don't go back to those meetings.
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-John,
Please explain the 'subtle' treatment meted out at LCSP meetings, some evidence perhaps.
The quotation marks earlier, were because of their anonymity, and because I attempt to be anonymous following the savaging I received in the early days of HoL
If wish to see me kicked me off, I'm sure you know what to do
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I wish to see your evidence before I out the people who have been unhappy at treatment they recieved at LCSP meetings and so stopped going. In fact, if you had a think about it you could work out who I mean. Anyway start giving me some of your unhappy ex HoLers before I give you some of my unhappy ex LCSPers.
I think that was an unsatisfactory explanation for why you put anonymous in quotes. I think I know why... You mean that people are known but they have "handles". This is not anonymous at all!!!
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Here are some thoughts on anonymity in online forums from my colleague Kevin Harris (taken from the same research I've referenced on the next page:
"Making anonymity available as an option is important because it can protect people from reprisals, potentially allow the participation of people who experience oppression or specific discrimination, and encourage the diffident to participate. It is important for democracy to have public spaces where those less inclined to engage actively can still be comfortably present and not feel threatened.
"Against that, being identifiable helps to build trust and understanding, giving credibility to the individual, to whatever discussion they are taking part in, and to the website. The reverse presumably applies: a high proportion of anonymity could erode trust and the perceived benefits of participation."
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