Harringay, Haringey - So Good they Spelt it Twice!
Please Help Us Raise £700 to Fund a Leaflet Printrun
For those of you who are active on HoL, you'll be very much aware of Haringey Council's transport study. This is a once-in-a-generation opportunity for all Harringay's residents to have their say on how best to reduce our excessive traffic burden. To that end, we want to ensure that all residents are FULLY informed on the options available.
Unlike Haringey Council, we do not have a juggernaut PR system pushing our message, or the money to pay for it. So we are asking for your help. We want to raise money to fund a print run of leaflets for Wightman and all the Ladder roads, plus other events to raise awareness.
If you'd like to help us raise funds for the second phase of our campaign; to create a safer, healthier, happier Harringay for everyone, then please click the link below which will take you to our Just Giving page.
Thank you.
Yes, I would like to help raise £700 to fund leaflets If you'd like more information, or get involved, please check out our Living Wightman Blog or Facebook Page.
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Permalink Reply by JoeW on
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@Nick "Before the closure, did you not estimate 90% of the traffic on the ladder rungs was due to rat runners? And the actual figure - around 50%?"
Correct, on this post here. My estimate is confirmed by the traffic counts during the bridgeworks which are on Andrew's map here.
I think you're mixing up ratrunging with through-traffic across the whole GL study area. My estimate for through-traffic based on the ANPR data is 56% - analysis here. That figure is corroborated by the consultant's traffic model which they mention on the first page of this document here.
And yes I'd support protecting BBL from ratrunning too, and any other St Ann's streets that need it. But the road most desperately in need of protection is Wightman:
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Permalink Reply by Don on
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Antoinette: Yes, I think you're right. Funnily enough, as I sat on the 29 bus earlier this evening (something I'd doubtless have even more time to do if Wightman closure goes ahead) I was thinking about the possibility of distributing an alternative leaflet in all the non-Ladder roads that would be affected; but, somehow I don't think a crowdfunding appeal on HoL would produce enough money, let alone the £1,000+ that Living Wightman has raised!
I did also find a 2016 thread (at http://www.stroudgreen.org/discussion/6367/wightman-road-closure-su...) in which Stroud Green residents bemoaned the tailbacks, gridlock and awful pollution on Tollington Park and Ferme Park Road, in Crouch End and in Stroud Green, directly caused by the last closure. It’s worth reading for a perspective on the negative impact on another neighbouring area.
I genuinely think it’s a shame that LW - a collaboration between the cycle lobby, some Ladder residents and FoE, all of whose individual aims might well be supportable - is collectively pitching a solution that’s such a blunt instrument and likely to cause misery to many others if adopted.
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Not sure this will end up in the right place, as I've been away for a few days and lots of posts have been added.
As Julie B says, we'll have to agree to disagree. I've no idea if anyone actively promoted one-way traffic on Wightman but road closure is a major plank of the LW submission and, as Julie and others have also said, last year's experiment created chaos, delays and major inconvenience for residents right across Harringay - especially for anyone trying to use public rather than private transport.
Closure would mitigate the problems in the immediate area but, in contrast to a minor improvements package that's "unlikely to have a major impact on traffic", Wightman closure "is likely to have significant negative impacts on journey times and reliability due to the displacement of Wightman Road traffic to other roads" and "displace traffic to roads used by buses, which could significantly increase bus journey times and reduce reliability". That's not what I and so many other local residents want.
John McM: as the minor improvements package does indeed include the chicanes that you suggested are the best solution, I hope I'll have your support in voting for it in the consultation!
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I guess that's the issue, do you want something that has a minor impact on traffic?
Personally I'm on a fairly quiet ladder road, this scheme will make barely any difference to the traffic going past my front door and will, initially at least, have the possibility of slowing down the busses that I use fairly regularly.
However the traffic is already bad, you can barely make it worse on Green Lanes, so I'd prefer to see something a bit more drastic and see whether that works. At least it may drop the pollution down a bit and inspire some more drastic measures on Green Lanes, Turnpike Lane and the rest.
If you're happy with the status quo then fine. However, if you're holding out for an area-wide scheme from the North Circular to Camden or nationwide fuel rationing then you're going to be waiting a long time.
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Permalink Reply by John McMullan on
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What are your views on man made climate change Antoinette? Similarly informed by your own experiences or do you check out any of the scientific literature? Can you remember how many vehicles per day Umfreville got before the closure or do you just rely on your intuition and the odd sample like this? The lower part of the ladder (south of Warham) westbound is shielded by the closure of the gardens. When I bought my house in 2001 we avoided the streets at the bottom because they were busier than the ones at the top of the ladder. Once all that traffic had to come out of Salisbury Rd it got quieter and the top got busier.
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Don,
You and I are not going to convince the Living Wightman posse that their campaign for the permanent closure of Wightman Road is selfish and misguided. Our efforts would be better put to going on equivalent social networking sites for the areas surrounding ours; Crouch End, Barnet, Enfield, Tottenham, Finsbury Park etc and convincing them to respond to the consultation.You don’t have to be a Haringey resident to respond to the consultation.Anyone can contribute.There are literally 1000s of people outside of the area who would be impacted by the closure who are blissfully unaware of the consultation. Let’s make sure they become aware.
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Permalink Reply by Hugh on
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It's a shame that mainland Europe couldn't have taken advantage of a similar set-up in THE vote last year, Antoinette.
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My views on man made climate change in the context of this thread are that closing Wightman Road isn't going to make a jot of difference to reversing global climate change, and my being anti-closing Wightman Road doesn't make me a climate change denier (which I'm not).
Not only can I remember that the traffic was heavier before the road closure, I have video footage to prove it. I have clips of my son's first day at school, for example, and there were considerably more cars passing in the background than there are now.
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Off topic but but I can't let this by: Global warming is an absolute and utter fraud. (I stick to its original name rather then the revised "climate change" one hastily drawn up to explain really cold days in winter, etc).
It can’t be proven, it has not been established, there is no science on it, settled or otherwise. It has never once been established that man has a damn thing to do with the climate, the weather, the temperature, what have you. And the proof is that we can’t stop any kind of weather. If we’re causing it then the converse would have to be true and we could stop it.
Global warming is perpetuated by the media and the left because it has all the things the left love: A way for tin pot dictator countries to use the UN to shake down the USA and the West for money; a problem that only government can solve, so government of course has to be made bigger to address and you need to be taxed even more because of it.
Global warming has filled the void that religions held (and still hold in some parts): No one alive now will actually be around when the disasters happen, a rich reward is promised for adherence in the next life. It's ludicrous to any of us who know history and how people are manipulated.
This matter is not about global warming it's about quality of life and I generally go by the premise that vehicles are a nuisance and a policy to channel high volumes of traffic on a few select residential roads is something that is worth fighting against.
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No need for scientific literature when you can just ask a small child John!
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