Harringay, Haringey - So Good they Spelt it Twice!
On one corner: one borough's £1 million camera?
HARRINGAY residents and transient motorists might like to view this sub-five-minute video shot this afternoon.
It's a time-lapse over 60 minutes (link below).
It features the foot of Hewitt Road from where motorists exit, but are not permitted to turn right.
Further along the street, a different camera – a Council-controlled camera – keeps an eagle eye out for unsuspecting motorists. It records the action more regularly and more determinedly than the footage you're about to see.
Watching the video:
- Keep your eyes on the lower right of the frame: each time a vehicle turns right into Green Lanes, the figure of £180* is displayed. [*in the first of the three videos below, that should have been rendered as £130 and mentioned £65 if advantage were taken of the quick-payment deal]
- If you watch through to the end, a summary of the hour's activities and that hour's takings is displayed.
- Finally, there's a Star-Wars-like listing of the locations in Haringey where such cameras are located. Enjoy.
Enjoy ?!
Thanks for the HD video and editing go to Paul Stork
New link to Video (on Vimeo)
Councillor
Highgate Ward
Liberal Democrat Party
Tags for Forum Posts: 60-mins, FPN, Fixed-Penalty-Notice, Hewitt, No-right-turn, Road, time-lapse, £130, £180, £65
Replies to This Discussion
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Permalink Reply by Clive Carter on
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Aidan, with his typical insightfulness, Alan identified the difficulty: is the object to raise money or is the object to discourage people from breaking the law?
If in truth it's both, we have a conflict of interest and these are rarely satisfactory. If its both, then it may have the following effects:
- No incentive to put in place physical barriers;
- No incentive to make signage as clear as possible
- No incentive to warn of camera
- Big incentive to have a high level of fine
Some motorists can take Fixed Penalty notices in their stride and some companies may treat them as a cost of doing business. For poorer drivers, the sudden cost is swingeing.
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Permalink Reply by Michael Anderson on
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Clive, Haringay have just spent a considerable amount of time and money getting rid of physical barriers and associated street clutter. I for one do NOT want to see more of it.
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Michael I'm not necessarily advocating a physical barrier (although some kinds of kerbing would IMO, not count as street clutter and a low physical barrier might reduce the need for prominent signage).
My point was about goal confusion and conflict-of-interest. To try to illustrate the point better, do you think the Council would:
- welcome publicity about this corner and camera, because it might tend to reduce the incidence of law-breaking; or
- not welcome publicity about the presence and effect of this camera, because it could reduce income?
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In the words of Rhett Butler "Frankly I don't give a damn". As long as vehicles do not abide by the no left turn rule Haringey can fine what they like as far as I'm concerned. If drivers put others at risk, rake in money from them by all means, if they don't, don't. I can't see how lowering the fine acts as a disincentive, do you?
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Permalink Reply by Alan Stanton on
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"Mr Anderson, sorry you keep you waiting. I've now looked up our records. A month ago you made an 'informal representation' explaining that you hadn't realised there was a new No-Right-Turn; that a van obscured your view of the signs; and that a child was crossing the road taking your full attention. As you know, Mr Anderson, here in the Parking Service we are always fair and reasonable. So we cancelled your PCN. However, I regret to have to tell you, Sir, that as you subsequently turned right at this junction on six occasions, we will be insisting on payment in full."
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I'm bang to rights gov, it's a fair cop (holds out hands for the steel brackets of justice)
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Unfortunately, Michael, Harringay's new "standard stocks of Justice" are not yet available.
These are currently being architect-designed before being presented for public consultation. The approved drawings will then be rushed to the Council's teams of blacksmiths who are standing by.
Working in a traditional smithy in a back alley in Wood Green, and using time-honoured ironworking skills, they will come up with a completely different but more elegant design - probably at a higher cost.
But never mind. Why do something properly the first time round and spoil everyone's fun complaining?
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Permalink Reply by Gordon T on
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Mind the very sharp corners and abrasive finish (oops, that's what bicycle racks stocks are meant to have).
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Permalink Reply by phippsofacto on
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There are certainly enough signs to let motorists know about the change. I've seen them, others should too.
The enormous arrow and "Turn left" on the road is another hint.
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The list of locations of the Council's fixed cameras shouldn't been seen as the full story.
Little Smart cars rove around with periscope-type cameras that lie in wait at some no-right-turn intersections. Such as in Highgate High Street (from there, there's no right turn into Pond Square).
I don't suggest that motorists should be able to turn right at these locations, but IMO, the level of (fixed) penalty is disproportionate to the offence caused.
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Some banned turns are linked to pedestrian phases of traffic lights. If you turn when you shouldn't, you will be putting unwary pedestrians at serious risk. Also, you may not realise that risk yourself until it's too late, if it's a left turn with a building plumb on the corner.
The Highgate example isn't obvious in safety terms - perhaps in traffic-flow terms it helps to avoid southbound traffic backing up to the pair of roundabouts and stuffing everything solid.
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Permalink Reply by Cllr Emina Ibrahim on
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I don't agree that the issue is the level of the fine. It's very dangerous to turn right for pedestrians and cyclists therefore the fine is absolutely proportionate as breaching it risks lives. The issue is that many people who regularly have used the road for a number of years are instinctively turning right. I think that there would be benefit from an extra sign on the left side. I have taken pictures, spoken to the businesses in the immediate vicinity about the extent of the problem and submitted a members enquiry earlier today. I have also asked how many fixed penalty notices the camera issued yesterday.
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