Harringay, Haringey - So Good they Spelt it Twice!
More Traffic Headed for Wightman - 2 days to Act
Last October I raised the issue that possible street closures in surrounding areas would displace traffic our way.
One of the areas was Crouch End.
A consultation for those living/working in the area is in progress and one of the options being consulted on is the closure to through traffic (except for buses, emergency vehicles and cyclists) of one or more major roads, such as The Broadway.
A traffic survey for the Crouch End project suggests such a change might mean 2000 more vehicles a day in both directions for Wightman.
Harringay residents can make their views known via the questionnaire.
To complete the questionnaire go to:
https://www.haringey.gov.uk/parking-roads-and-travel/roads-and-stre...
After the initial section you can opt to only complete the one on traffic. The deadline is 2 February.
Postscript navigation note: (For oversized lorry stuck on Warham, see P14, here.)
Tags for Forum Posts: liveable crouch end, liveable neighbourhoods, oversize hgvs on warham, traffic
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Permalink Reply by Michael Anderson on
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There was another one in exactly the same spot a few weeks later.
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Permalink Reply by JulieB on
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Ridiculous.
I've seen a couple of similar incidents at the end of St Ann's Road with the closed off junction onto Green Lanes. Large lorries getting stuck trying to turn into Harringay Road.
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Permalink Reply by Alan Stanton on
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Over many years we had this sort of problem in streets south of Lansdowne Road N17. Long wide vehicles would turn off and then get stuck at narrow junctions. On the way knocking-off wing mirrors or worse.
For years, I pleaded with Highways staff to place warning signage at the entry points. Until recently, they ignored these requests.
(In Haringey you need to be a rich football club or property developers to pit up signs. Or to routinely close a main road.)
Following John McMullan's post about Google Maps live update, I'd hoped that Waze and similar apps would solve this problem. Though it seems these are - at least potentially - a tool which may turn a broken traffic gate into a temporary and maybe dangerous rat-run entrance. More dangerous because walkers and cyclists aren't expecting trucks and cars to appear.
Perhaps London and other councils need to find ways to collaborate more closely with Google and Waze. Maybe they are? Anyone know?
Alternatively, someone might get rich by marketing a multi-line mobile which generates a phantom permanent traffic gridlock?
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Permalink Reply by Matt Fenby Taylor on
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I would happily support filtering the ladder rungs if it addresses the traffic problem. Someone has to take the hit and if it's us on Warham and other rungs we should. This problem has to be addressed.
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Permalink Reply by John McMullan on
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It doesn't Wightman is the problem.
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Permalink Reply by ant on
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Lets not forget about the Northern Ladder Traffic Reduction Proposal!
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A continuous walking route along the passage would be an interesting idea!
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Wightman needs to be filtered. Tollington Park to the south and Hornsey Park to the north would also benefit from this. What happened to a holistic approach? If Crouch End gets filtered and Wightman gets filtered at the same time we really would get some evaporation.
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Permalink Reply by PeterPiper on
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Regarding filtering the ladder rungs, I'm assuming this would in all likelihood be done at the junction with the Harringay Passage, and result in each half returning to 2-way traffic. Apart from Burgoyne Road, the parked cars would make this problematic, won't it?. How would cyclists view this?
Following the recent reconfiguration of Wightman Road, the number of parking opportunities has been reduced and displaced on to the rungs, just to complicate the issue
Highways & transport need to be talking to each other.
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The consultation period for the Liveable Crouch End questionnaire has now ended and we are awaiting the results and proposals for the future. The Council did a trial road closure of Middle Lane in October 2019, which had a massive impact on the main roads within and around Crouch End. The consultation results from this exercise were overwhelmingly negative because of the impact on traffic, pollution and bus journeys. Neither the residents of Crouch End nor the traders wanted the closure. We hadn’t asked for a Liveable Neighbourhood scheme and most were bemused as to why Crouch End had been chosen ahead of locations in the east of the borough. The Council were selective in reporting back on the outcome of the trial, so we produced our own analysis. See attached document.
The fact that Crouch End town centre sits on two A roads that converge at the Broadway means that if they were to shut the Broadway, there is no ring road to take the large quantities of traffic which would be displaced. This makes it very different from the scheme in Walthamstow which has a “ring” road around it. If any main roads in Crouch End are closed, displaced vehicles would be forced onto any main roads which remain open plus other more residential roads such as Ferme Park Road, Shepherds Hill and Cranley Gardens. There would clearly be a significant knock on effect on Wightman Road, the Ladder Roads and other areas such as Stroud Green, Muswell Hill and Highgate. This is not desirable for any of us and is a result of the Council having no overall strategy for dealing with traffic flowing through the borough.
Residents of both Harringay and Crouch End need to work together to ensure neither area suffers.some%20key%20highlights.docx
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Don’t presume to speak for all the residents of Crouch End. Speak to parents at the schools on main roads and you’ll find that the idea of reducing traffic on those roads is received positively and it’s just what specific measures that are put in place which are the concern and not the principle. As to traders they have no evidence that the scheme would reduce trade and evidence from other schemes is the reverse. There also appears to be no acceptance from those anti the scheme that modal shift does occur and all the talk is only of displacement. Again that is counter to decades of evidence. Maybe road closures are too drastic but those who are against any Liveable scheme and who speak loudly in public forums aren’t necessarily representative of the whole of Crouch end. Those who are positive or don’t care either way don’t necessarily engage in those forums because of the potential (and actual) abuse they get. Over here things are much more civilized and respectful debate is possible.
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I doubt that many people are against a liveability scheme per se, but opposed to a badly thought out one.
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