Harringay, Haringey - So Good they Spelt it Twice!
Man attempts suicide by lying on tracks at Harringay
In the second local 'person and train' incident this week, a man lay on the tracks at Harringay station on Wednesday afternoon in an apparent attempt to end his life. He was only saved after the train driver managed to hit the emergency brake just in time.
Two other FCC drivers - travelling as passengers on the train - helped the man up onto the platform.
One of them sat with the 48-year-old, from Leytonstone, until British Transport Police and the London Ambulance Service arrived.
The man was then detained under the Mental Health Act and taken to hospital for assessment.
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Permalink Reply by Michael Anderson on
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Thank you for your concern. Can you explain why people who take their own lives are selfish?
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Permalink Reply by Clive Carter on
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Can you explain why people who take their own lives are selfish?
Michael, no one has said or even suggested that.
Lives lived, may or may not have been selfish, but that's a different question. I think a distinction needs to be drawn between a selfish life and a selfish action. Even Mother Teresa was entitled to a few selfish actions, though her's was probably one of the most unselfish lives lived.
The action of suicide may be a selfish action because of its lack of regard to its effect on others.
Directly, towards anyone involuntarily involved, such as train drivers: its deeply unfair to them. As everyone knows, they cannot be held responsible - but equally, cannot help feel guilty and may do so for the years afterwards.
I think we need to think about why train drivers (or bus drivers) might feel guilty. I think its because we humans are all social animals and all of us, even mere onlookers, feel responsible towards our fellow human beings, let alone friends and family. Many mammals, like dolphins, feel this way.And less directly, towards friends, relations or onlookers.
There are indirect ways in which suicide can be a selfish action:
It shouldn't be forgotten that not all suicides are 'successful'. The 'unsuccessful' ones can leave the poor individual in a worse – sometimes, far worse – physical state than before. I don't think you'd want a discussion of examples. It's probably sufficient to say that those poor people may become (or become a greater) burden on friends, family or the NHS.
I'm sure many of us can think of circumstances where we might wish to take this action and for it to be both rationale and, by the method chosen, minimising the selfish aspect. The lack of regard to these things mentioned is a measure of degree of upset. More attention needs to be paid to mental health. -
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Permalink Reply by Seema Chandwani on
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Two people with cat pictures debating... is this the definition of a cat fight?
Sort of agree with both of you, but ultimately if someone is in that state of mind to kill themselves, we can assume they are not thinking. :(
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Permalink Reply by John McMullan on
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There are very few ways to kill yourself with absolute certainty in London without resorting to holding up public transport. Tall buildings seem completely suicide proof unless you can dine first, drugs you can overdose on effectively and painlessly are hard to come by (and you probably wouldn't want to kill yourself if you were on them), jumping into the Thames has a low 'success' rate unless you can't swim, throwing yourself under a bus could just maim you...
Throwing yourself under a train is really, really effective. They do not have many other options that result in a very good chance of instant death.
If all the unemployed, depressed people in London threw themselves under trains would the "suicide using public transport is selfish" crowd consider that selfish or selfless? I mean we'd no longer be paying benefits to them or listening to them telling us that their lives were shit.
Honestly people, and I know I could take this advice sometimes, think about it just a little bit more.
Suicidal people are going through a trough in their lives that seems like a pit they will never escape from. The last thing they want to do is cause grief for others but they really do want to make sure they die. More sympathy please.
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Hear hear. More sympathy for those affected who are sometimes forgotten. The train or bus driver, the onlookers and not least the spouse left behind or other family. It is those folk who may bear scars for the rest of their lives. These are the victims who tend to be overlooked.
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