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Harringay, Haringey - So Good they Spelt it Twice!

New LTN started today. I was working at the beginning of Langham Road, and had a small job on Cornwall Road just off St Anne's. So instead of a two minute drive, I had to drive all the way along West Green Road to Duckett's Common, turn down Green Lanes and thence all the way along St Anne's.There was a long queue of traffic and it took twenty minutes. That's 20 minutes of wasted time, and 20minutes of additional fumes along the route. So the traffic is merely displaced to major roads along with additional pollution for the residents there. Not sure what the benefit is...

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Is this 'void' in any meaningful sense, supported by anything, Doodle? Because the vast majority of research shows that LTNs result in less traffic. So less pollution and less greenhouse gases burned, better air quality across the borough delivering better health outcomes. Yes, traffic is slower on the main roads (designed, let's not forget, to carry this traffic), but traffic generally goes down. Again, I'm struggling to see why this is a negative thing other than the (reasonably small) impact on people's convenience. Haringey has amongst the lowest car ownership in London and over 80% of journeys start and end outside of the borough. So the residents of the borough are disproportionately punished while the Earth inexorably heats up. And you're... pro that? How strange.

Do you realise that vehicles continually moving on a motorway burn less fuel and emit lower levels of carbon (even at those higher speeds) than the same vehicles stuck in traffic having to accelerate and decelerate, and stop/start etc. And it's not just an inconvenience is it. One day you may find yourself having a serious medical emergency at home and your prospects of living or dying depend on whether an ambulance can reach you in good time.

LAS have approved these LTNs and none of the evidence from other LTNs across London suggests that any ambulance delays are attributable to the LTNs as opposed to other issues (general pressure on LAS, funding issues etc). People in Hackney and Islington aren't dying in greater nos because of LTNs. LAS themselves say the biggest issue for them on roads are badly parked cars. 

Please tone it down, everyone. If you keep your comments focussed on the issue and away from personal slurs, you not only keep within house rules, you don't discourage others from posting.

In line with house rules, your comments have been edited to remove the personal slurs. If you feel that your contributions cannot stand without the personal jibes, please let me know and I will delete their content altogether.

Ah yes, because before LTNs London traffic was famously free flowing and just like a motorway.

As for the emergency services, only the fire brigade keep detailed records but in an actual study looking at actual numbers (rather than anecdotes) it was found that LTNs do not have an impact on response times.

Please provide links to vast majority of evidence that LTNs result in less traffic. Is this a reduction in traffic only on LTN streets or does it include boundary roads? The statement “traffic generally goes down” is a bit vague. Is there a reduction in traffic on boundary roads or not. I live off a boundary road and thus far my quality of life has not improved. Bus journeys take more time, it feels more dangerous cycling, and my daily walks are now impeded by long rows of stationary cars spewing out pollution.

See here for an overview of evidence: 

www.sustrans.org.uk/for-professionals/infrastructure/an-int...

I live just off Green Lanes and walk/cycle/bus up it every day. The traffic has been terrible since it rebounded after Covid and I have not noticed a big difference since the LTNs have gone in. What would make cycling safer and taking the bus much quicker would be the removal of parking spaces along GL, which is a shocking use of space. For me, walking and cycling with my children in the other direction - to their school which is now in an LTN, I have seen a huge improvement.

Deka — Green Lanes is absolutely crucial to this whole problem. The council has continuously failed to get a grip on the traffic there; the fact that it’s a major north/south artery and that the solid barrier of the railway and its two crossing points funnel so much traffic onto GL, is the nub of Harringay’s problem. Unless and until this is dealt with, creating a solid area of blocked side roads to the east of GL will only exacerbate the problem by making GL traffic even slower and more polluting, while making buses less and less attractive as possible alternatives to car travel.

Green Lanes will be included in the mysteriously named “Ladder Project” (in effect the Ladder LTN) due to start formal consultation soon. 

Consultation. Don't make me laugh. Haringey council have shown time and time again how they fulfill their legal obligation to consult without caring a damn about the result of said consultation. It's a joke. 

Legally consultation doesn't actually require the Council to change their minds - see also umpteen Govt consultations.

Let’s hope the council “consult” with residents outside the Ladder itself, since GL is the main traffic artery in the area and this will affect everyone on both sides, as well as those who live/work along it. Last year, Mike Hakata promised that GL would all be sorted before the St Ann’s LTN went live; if it had been, we might not have the current problems.

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