Harringay, Haringey - So Good they Spelt it Twice!
Lausanne Road shouty-man
Umm - there's a guy in our street who frequently wanders up and down Lausanne screaming at the top of his voice. I appreciate he's obviously mentally ill (is it a halfway house he's living in??) but he's really aggressive.Is he being properly looked after? It doesn't usually last very long (max half an hour usually) and it seems to me like an adult toddler having a tantrum, but - does anyone else here find it concerning ? If I was a little kid living nearby I'd find it absolutely terrifying...
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Permalink Reply by andy thomas on
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Just to be clear, this was NOT the usual shouty man who is JUST shouty and in a
And look who is shouting now... ;-)
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Permalink Reply by CarlyM on
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I agree that calling the Police was a waste of time to the extent that it isn't going to solve the problems with that house.
The reasons my partner thought it appropriate were:
1. An injury was sustained in the fight, which was ongoing.
2. Bins were being thrown at neighbours' homes.
3. Nobody from the house itself i.e. staff was doing anything to calm things down.
She used her professional judgement as a police officer to call for assistance in order to prevent further injury and/or damage to property. If the bin thrown at my neighbour's house had smashed the window and injured the elderly woman who was in the front room, we'd certainly not be talking about a waste of time now. The management of that property are to blame for any waste of resources, not concerned neighbours.
The point here is that there are ongoing issues with that house, and quite a bit of evidence that the staff do nothing to manage matters when they spill out onto the street. I'm absolutely clear that the 2 people fighting were different from the man who does the shouting. I think this is an important observation, as it suggests a generalised lack of management from staff that applies to more than just one resident/client. I don't feel at risk from the residents, I don't wish them any harm and I certainly am not looking for them to be arrested. I'm making a point about how a private company is apparently failing to meet the needs of the vulnerable people who live there. If that company isn't doing things properly, questions have to be asked, including why neighbours have had to call the police to calm situations that should never have been allowed to escalate in the first place.
We could try and ask for phone numbers for staff - it's a good idea in the short term. I'm still waiting for their response to an email I sent the other day but could follow up with a request for numbers.
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Permalink Reply by HoL Site Admin on
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Contact details for local councillors are here and the cabinet member responsible for adult care is Dilek Dogus
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Permalink Reply by rahman on
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This is a bit tricky. People who are placed 'in the community' have a right to respect for their privacy just like anyone else. The whole point of being placed in the community is that they have been assessed as not of risk to themselves or anyone else, and are being rehabilitated to live independently with minimal supervision from qualified care workers. They have as much right to go about their business as anyone else without disclosure of their personal matters to neighbours. It would defeat the purpose of care in the community if random neighbours were given contact telephone numbers to call every time the person caused a bit of noise nuisance (unless the patient nominated those neighbours to hold his care worker's telephone numbers).
It is always possible to call social/ emergency services if there is concern for the welfare of a vulnerable person. Also, we could just go over and ask them if they're okay/ befriend tham if we're genuinely that concerned?
If it is clear that they arent receiving the care in the community they're entitled to, I would definitely take it up with local councillors straight away. There is nothing like a councillor's enquiry to get local government employees to take something seriously.
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It is always possible to call social/ emergency services if there is concern for the welfare of a vulnerable person. Also, we could just go over and ask them if they're okay/ befriend tham if we're genuinely that concerned?
You've hit the nail on the head there; instead of regarding these residents as some kind of a problem - and I'm sure they must sense this attitide from us by now - we should be making friends with them. I don't necessarily mean knocking on the door and inviting them all over for tea & cakes every other day but maybe we could mention upcoming local events they might be interested in, such as the Fairland festival?
Of course this would have to fit in with their care organisation's policies (if they have any that is, and that seems a very moot point) but it would allow them to meet their neighbours in a pleasant & non-confrontational situation. As rahman says, the whole idea is for them to rejoin & take part in the community around them, not have them holed up in isolation in a house with indifferent 'minders'. Otherwise it's not going to be much different from the old institutions (or HMP even) the halfway house idea is meant to replace.
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Permalink Reply by Liz on
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I happened to see Councillor Gina Adamou yesterday and mentioned the residents concerns about this. She asked me to email her about it which I have done, inviting her to look at this discussion and putting the key points for her in a word doc (attached) so she can get a quick overview of the situation.
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Permalink Reply by Harringay SNT on
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There has been some confusion over correct E-mail addresses. Lorayne Langley is leaving the unit soon. All relevant correspondence/ queries should be sent to the Manager of the Learning Disabilities Unit patrick.o`neill@haringey.gov.uk
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Permalink Reply by Charlotte on
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The house in question on Lausanne Road is privately owned by Precious Homes Ltd, Magic House, 5-11 Green Lanes, Palmers Green, 020 8826 4343
Haringey places some of its vulnerable clients in this house.
I was informed today that shouting man has now been moved to a different project with different staff support
I was told some time ago that the house is staffed 24/7 but have seen little evidence of any support being provided to the residents. They don't seem to do much to help the residents integrate and observe acceptable social behaviour. This is a real shame - for the residents of the house and the residents on the street.
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Permalink Reply by A Brown on
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I am a resident of Lausanne, and am aware of the shouty man situation, however there also seems to be another member of this house who is often seen walking up and down the street sometimes running and stopping suddenly. However he has approrached me a couple of times when ive been getting shopping out from the boot , and getting into the car. He has asked me for a light, and on another occasion if I had a Boyfriend? I find this worrying, as he has hung around my car until i drove off.
I just wondered has anyone else has had any experience with this young man? Hes probably 21 ish.
This has happened at various times, but Ive noticed him out when its been getting dark, recently, and he doesnt have any support staff with him.
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