Harringay, Haringey - So Good they Spelt it Twice!
Last ditch attempt to save the famous Oakfield Plane Tree - please feedback on consultation now
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Permalink Reply by Helen Riley
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Access is more than an 'occasional bother' for many people. I understand this campaign is focused on trees but people are important also.
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Permalink Reply by Giovanna iozzi
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This is a false arguement, there is not and should not be a battle between humans and trees. There are many things Haringey council should and could be doing to improve pavements for access, widening them, better accress routes and making roads safer,,,but felling mature trees is not the answer here. Mature trees help with our lung health, physical health, mental health, they cool down our streets, many older people die in heat waves, they can cool a street down by 10 degrees. The benefits of a mature tree outwiegh inconveniences. i pushed both my kids around these roads and managed it with a big buggy...not sure why this has become a focus.
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Of course Haringey could do more. I was taking issue with your personal view that access can be a bother, no more than that. For some people it's a lot more than that. It's great that you had the strength to push a big buggy. Not everyone does. And wheelchairs are another story. I'm not suggesting felling trees; I am suggesting that people with disabilities are important.
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Permalink Reply by Michael Anderson
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My husband is a recent wheelchair user and I hadn’t really appreciated before the difficulty of just getting out of the house and along the street. On my own road I have to get him off the pavement on our side of the road, wait for a traffic to let me cross and then on to the opposite side as ours is lumpy tarmac that I physically don’t have the strength to push him over. Like you say, it’s not a ‘bother’, it means we don’t go out unless I can get a friend to help.
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Permalink Reply by Clive Carter
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Michael, in my view Haringey Council pays far less attention to the needs of the majority of the users of pedestrian pavements, than they do to the minority of car-owners in the Borough.
The users of pavements includes Cllr Hakata's "Wheelers" and many other classes of user who benefit from smooth and sufficiently wide paving.
In general, the Borough's pavements are in a poor state and the council's street-tree planting scheme could equally be described as a width-reduction programme.
The state of pavement in the north-east of Finsbury Park (the Council's Kranbrother hire) is in a wretched state, despite £1.34 million raised on the back of our park. No one would be content pushing a wheelchair there.
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I agree with all you say Clive. But there needs to also be an acceptance that some trees have simply outgrown their planting sites. Saying it’s not a bother to have to get on and off the pavement because you can do it with your bike (which for some reason was being ridden on the pavement) is breathtakingly patronising.
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As harsh as it sounds the collective value to a neighbourhood of a mature tree trumps the access challenges of an individual resident.
Why can't the council build a wooden ramp on the footpath to traverse the roots? This is done in national parks and beauty spots throughout the country. And the cost would be a fraction of what the council has already spent trying to remove the Oakfield tree (unnecessarily).
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Disability access is important.
The idea of a well made wooden platform is a good solution. If need be, it could be constructed on the road side (with protective bollards) with the minor sacrifice of a parking bay.
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Yes Amy, it does sound harsh. And it’s not an individual resident - there are thousands and we’ve spend our lives being of value to our neighbourhoods but you never see us as it’s a bloody obstacle course out there. Good luck with persuading home owners to have wooden ramps outside of their front gates btw.
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This campaign is about trees, protecting them and saving them because they keep us safe. Trees do not grow out of their planting sites, they should be fine if a soil pit is carefully cut, they're pollarded and managed which is what happens with our plane trees. It's our environment that is encrouching on them, concrete, houses, utilities, car spaces, our human demands.
Old trees have more value on every score than young trees.
if we were to fell all the mature trees on our streets because they are difficult to move around, where would that leave us and is that a road we would like to live on? This is irrational. Some ladder streets have lost most of their mature trees and they are hotter every summer. Trees cool us down and protect us from burning heat and flash floods.
I agree not everyone can push a wheelchair up a road around a tree or a lampost or a protruding bush easily. So we agree.
2 final points: you have disagreed with me before on this site about trees. I remember very well.
By the way, I wheel my bike on pavements, I don't cycle.
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I love public trees. I want more of them and welcome every one that is planted. But sometimes they simply outgrow their original planting and we have to accept that. I didn’t disagree with you previously about trees - I disagreed with you opposing ramp access to Parkland Walk.
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I have no idea how you have interpreted my personal view abut disability as it being a minor thing or not important, this is not what i am saying at all.
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