After it was discovered at the St Ann's Labour Party selection candidate selection meeting that there were people present and voting who should not have been, I came home from the pub (where I'd heard about it) and wrote this article. It has subsequently been edited by site admins to remove the names of people who were embarrassed or in the final case where a journalist said it was potentially libellous. Well here I will attempt to summarise what we have subsequently found out and hopefully take people's attention away from my original appalling rant.
*An individual has asked that their name be replaced with their function in this post on the grounds that they are not seeking public office. This has been done.
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Legal advice, private detective, national newspapers; time to fight back. To accuse someone of racism publicly and in front of the imperious leader deserves redress. Have you been suspended from the party for your alleged racism? Have you been asked to leave the party because of your racism? This lot see menace in their own shadow and you should take them to task legally. This is an utter disgrace.
Oh I am not a party member! If I was a party member I would be whipped into silence. It was before Ed Milliband arrived too so only in front of another party member.
Basically for any of these people to tell the truth I will have to get them before a judge in a libel case and risk quite a lot. I'm confident that they won't all perjure themselves.
They should be grabbed by the motts and swung by the grotts.
This is very odd, John.
Accusing you of racism demeans Mr Hart, not you. And I'm surprised that an intelligent fair-minded person - which I assume Steve Hart must be - wasn't at least curious to hear what you had to say. Not necessarily to agree - though he might. But at least to find out the basis for your views on Labour's candidate selection for St Ann's ward.
As a prominent trade unionist, I also assume that Mr Hart is very familiar with the problems faced by whistle-blowers. I previously mentioned Helena Morrissey's report about allegations within the LibDem national party which discussed similar processes. (Although of course, with a wholly different issue raised.) Helena Morrissey linked what she found to other abuses of power.
On a Quaker website in a piece called Why are whistle-blowers treated so badly? Adrian Melia suggests that a whistle-blower's: "conduct, performance, motive and credibility are all put into doubt". He observes, that: "the whistle-blower's colleagues routinely close ranks with the wrongdoers for many reasons, not least of which is a fear of being treated as the whistle-blower if seen to support their view."
The fact that this is "normal" behaviour in many organisational settings makes it easier to understand. Though no less hard for the St Ann's ward whistle-blowers. And for their supporters who are simply asking Labour Party members and staff to "stand up for decency in British Politics" - the phrase used by Ed Miliband in his battle with the Daily Mail.
(Tottenham Hale ward councillor. My partner Zena Brabazon is one of the two deselected St Ann's councillors. The other is David Browne.)
In fairness I guess I doorstepped him a bit and he just spouted the line that they came up with if anyone objected in the selection meeting. I am not the least bit afraid of his solicitor although someone asked me if I was worried about pissing off a certain local political group.
Presumably, John, that "certain local political group" which you don't name is the Elvis-is-Alive-&-Living-in-Wood-Green-Party"?
Well, there's no need to worry about them. They're like trekkies. A bunch of over-enthusiastic fans. Whatever story they spun, they really know that Elvis doesn't live in Wood Green.
Though having sixteen Elvis lookalikes trying to sign up for the Woodside branch Labour Party was a joke too far. Fortunately the branch secretary spotted that they'd all given Heartbreak Hotel, Arcadian Gardens as their address.
Yes it is. They must have sat in a room thinking "If anyone in the room objects we can call them racists! Yeah!". They have forgotten that we are not in this room anymore and we do not need to judge people by their ethnicity (and nobody ever has), merely their address and in one case their age.
They USED Ali Gul Ozbek and his five people to get their candidates selected and they want this all to be about those people's ethnicity, not what they did. They are able to keep it a secret because of data protection laws.
First let’s address the ‘racism’ angle. Serving councillors, members of St Ann’s and contributors to the thread, have been accused, both online and behind their backs, of racism towards people of Kurdish/Turkish origin. This is desperate stuff. How, for example, could anybody then explain why it is that the ward has always selected council candidates from diverse origins, including three former Turkish speaking candidates. In fact, the disputed candidates this time possibly form the least diverse slate ever put up, that I can recall. Calling those who dispute the process ‘racist’ is not just childish, it’s extremely serious. This is not about race or ethnicity. This is about probity and the democratic process.
Then there’s the approach being taken that says, ‘the result is the result.’ This is extremely offensive to people who actually mind about what went on at the selection process. There is suspicion and rising anger amongst those who see the ‘selected candidates’ as invalid. Objectors to the outcome at St Ann’s range from those who think it was a bit of a mess to those who think it stank to high heaven. There are differences of opinion across the board but only a handful of people, including those who ran the meeting and the candidates, seemingly, are OK about it all.
Is it possible that this has all been generated by sour grapes? This is not simply an internal Labour Party matter as Labour candidates in a ward like St Ann’s have a very strong likelihood of romping home as duly elected Labour councillors on May 22nd. Have our councillors taken St Ann’s for granted and then been dumped and got cross? Well, they would have been very silly to rely on our ward. We have a track record of changing councillors; it’s not a sinecure. We’ve had upsets and disappointments in the past but that’s politics. You don’t always get, or keep, the person you want.
Let’s focus on the issue. It is believed, rightly or wrongly, that as many as 5 people who took part in a meeting of 26 people, were ineligible to be there. Whether they wandered in in good faith, or schemed for months to take part in the process, is irrelevant. Their ethnic origin is irrelevant. The point is that nobody had ever seen them before and there is suspicion about whether they were eligible to take part. Part of this view is based on research into claimed addresses, and entries on the electoral register.
Now, if all 26 people in the room were genuine members of the party, who paid their own subscriptions, took part in the meeting under their own names, reside in the ward at the addresses they have given to the party and are registered to vote from those addresses if eligible to do so, then there is a simple way to close the situation down. A list of members present was kept and ID’s were checked as people arrived, apparently (I say this because mine wasn’t and because some members were in the room quite a while before the start of the meeting so I don’t know if theirs were checked.) This list will clarify which members were present. Sight of the attendance list and minutes, would surely put that aspect of the matter to bed and exonerate those that say their reputation has been sullied, yet also seem to say there is no purpose in releasing this information.
There is so much unhelpful rumour online that misses the point. This could have been resolved by conducting a proper investigation at an early stage. However the investigation appears to have consisted of a conversation with those who ran the meeting, rather than with any of the six people who lodged complaints and it also seems not to have included examination of key evidence gathered. Now, everyone’s busy and there are allegations of entryism, personation, incompetence, malpractice and howls of disappointment from all over London. But the Labour Party could come out now and say, ‘you know what? On reflection we didn’t give these complaints the attention they needed at the time and as people are still submitting complaints and there is possibly evidence that perhaps hasn’t been considered, we’ll arrange to have it looked into in more depth. It’s bound to be fine, but just to be sure, and to silence the doubters.’
Let’s stick to the matter in hand and not get side tracked by those crying foul. This is also an isolated situation. Labour candidates in all of the other wards have been selected in fair and open processes which are much more democratic than other parties practise.
I would still seek legal redress for the racial slur, have they learned nothing from Gordon Browns remarks?
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