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Harringay, Haringey - So Good they Spelt it Twice!


No doubt people on here will be happy but I’ve no doubt we will end up with a worse council without the vision or ability to lead significant change. Just as we are now seeing with those brexiteers who wanted Britain out of the EU without a vision for what this may actually look like I expect we will see the same for Haringey as far as development and housing goes.

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I don't understand how, when planning permission is granted and contracts with a developer specifying x% affordable homes have been signed, the developer is able to come back and say the project isn't profitable at x%.

Why don't the councils concerned just say " Tough, you should have done your homework better. We're going to hold you to it, Now get on with it " ?

Developer says: "OK we have deep pockets and you don't, we can afford to wait while you stare at a big hole in the ground - and in your local housing supply, council properties or not. And in your council tax income".

Penalty clauses for non-completion of the project within the contracted time frame ?

Umm, that'd be more of a Corbyn policy John, wouldn't it? I'm surprised at you... 

But yes, if a developer were really keen they might sign such an agreement.

I don't want a council to have a vision....just do what they are supposed to do...deliver basic high quality services to local people. What is happening at the moment in the borough is a missed opportunity. People who thought things could change after the riots quickly evaporated with the council imposing the Plan For Tottenham. The housing issue has long been historical with the council repeatedly neglecting its housing stock and condemning tenants to a poorer service, whilst failing to get social housing included in new developments. The new administration elected in May should plan to go back to basics and avoid getting into risky ventures.


with what money? They simply aren’t getting enough from the government.

@DTW, you're right, there is less money around. But the council needs to have a realistic plan in using finite public funds properly. Other councils have exactly the same pressures, but they manage to cope.

If anyone has observed the functioning of Haringey council over the past few years they would see that these accusations are ‘rich’ coming from that person. It is unfortunate that she is now able to claim ‘victim’ status when she has made quite a few of us Haringey residents into victims or soon-to-be victims.
I am not a Momentum supporter. I am not a Tory supporter either. And this also holds for many of the people glad to see CK go.

Since I moved to Haringey the council's PR machine has been reinforced to deal with critics and put out the message that people who dare talk against their plans don’t want change. A lot of resources go into thwarting the efforts of the very people who want improvement to the place in which they live and call the council out on its poor record of long-time neglect of provision of services, the public realm and just how much potential there is here, both in the form of built/non-built environment and human capital. Let’s not talk about its failure to apply its own planning policies when it sees fit. Haringey Council’s narrative that we need more homes, jobs, better shops and community centres, etc. doesn’t tell the whole story.

We all admit that there is a terrible squeeze to finances due to central government action, but our council consistently fawns over big businesses when it comes to large planning applications, to the detriment of small business and locals - see the Wards Corner and THFC cases where local residents, small businesses and irreplaceable architectural heritage were all too easily sacrificed for mediocre schemes that will just not bring the benefits to the locals they claim that they will. Yes they will bring increased activity. But just building anything, any and everywhere, as much as possible, is not ‘regeneration’. Especially if it doesn’t deal with why Haringey and places like Tottenham have been so resistant to real improvement over the years and why every time some money is spent you find that several year later the same problems are mentioned.

So many of us are glad to see the back of CK. We are however very apprehensive of who will replace her since it would not be good for Haringey to fall prey to a new generation of ‘looney lefties’ of days gone by. Their own blinkered, ideologically dogmatic approach to things won’t address the real causes of deprivation and underdevelopment either. In the same way that rigid ‘socialist’ solutions haven’t solved the problems of previously colonised places.

We need pragmatic leaders who are prepared to listen and work for the long term good of existing residents and are not willing to sacrifice the latter in favour of new incomers who, by the way, are very welcome too. We need leaders with empathy, who are prepared to tell the truth - that the effort needs investment of both lots of money and time and that it doesn’t come easy.
But most importantly, we need leaders who are prepared to sometimes admit that they were wrong and can change plans based on feedback from those who are most affected by the plans they are promoting.

I didn't say that, if you aim that comment at me. My point is they felt it necessary to reboot it and spend scare resources on this superficial activity, when the reality 'on the ground' fooled no one except the sycophants.


"Councillor Alan Strickland, cabinet member for housing and regeneration, said: “Bringing more than 100 new homes to the heart of Tottenham is a massive vote of confidence in the future of Haringey and its key role in delivering London’s growth.”



How is a mere 100 new homes a massive anything ?

Very pleased to be mentioned that company. Thanks Tris.



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