Harringay, Haringey - So Good they Spelt it Twice!
Imagining Possible Futures for Wightman Road
With all the attention on the benefits and disbenefits of the current closure of Wightman Road , we haven’t yet spent much time thinking about what the future of Wightman Road might be. With both the current closure and traffic study, now is the ideal time for us to start that process.
I should perhaps begin by saying that I write in full knowledge of the problems caused by the current closure, including the significant impact on some businesses and longer queues at some ‘pinch points’ especially at ‘rush hour’. I’m also very aware that there is more traffic on some roads such as Hornsey High Street, Green Lanes and Turnpike Lane as well as other roads further afield. Alleviating those problems needs to remain uppermost in our minds.
It seems like the most discussed longer-term solution to Wightman Road’s woes locally is permanent closure. Could limiting access, in the current way be the best solution to the danger, pollution and noise caused by the traffic in the block of residential roads made up of Wightman and the ladder roads?
I was one of those who previously thought this was impractical. But now I’m beginning to question this assumption. I’ve been taken aback by seeing and hearing how significant a difference it’s making to people lives; small children cycling to school, cyclists calling out to each about how lovely it is, Wightman Roaders being able to open their windows for the first time, kids skateboarding, hearing birdsong, walking to the station actually being pleasant.
The dangerous pollution levels along Wightman Rd which breach EU limits presumably have been eliminated, taking significant numbers of people including children out of real danger. As others have said this option could also create a pleasant and safe cycling, jogging and walking route, not just for residents of the immediate area, but for a wider group of people across Haringey and beyond.
The other reason for my change of heart is that as time goes on, the level of negative impact gives cause for hope that it may be possible to find good mitigating solutions for the traffic and pollution dispacement. Does anyone have any ideas about what could be done in the surrounding area to help buses flow or/and avoid traffic queues? Can anything be done about the pollution in Turnpike Lane and Green Lanes? What else would we need to think about?
If permanent closure is not the answer, it will be gut-wrenching just to go back to the old status quo and I think the Council will have a fierce fight on its hands if it wants to do that. So what other possible solutions are there that might both allow for an improved quality of life but allow some traffic flow to other Haringey residents? I’ve read elsewhere on HoL about the idea of road-pricing, or limiting access to HGVs. What could we do to drastically reduce cross London traffic rat-running along Wightman and the Ladder roads, yet still permit some access to more local traffic?
Is permanent closure the only option or is there another way?
Tags for Forum Posts: harringay traffic study, traffic, wightman bridge closure, wightman road
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Permalink Reply by Hugh on
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'To service' as in to allow access to - milkman, delivery men etc.
As to what's happened over the past 15 years, whilst there is a legal precedent where rights of way are established by usage, my understanding is that the basis of the discussion here isn't the law. (If it were it would be a pretty brief one!).
As I understand it we're discussing what is right and wrong, or desirable, for the Ladder residents, Harringay residents and Haringey residents. In this context what's happened over the past fifteen years is neither here nor there. I won't even bother citing the many many things that have been happening over the past 15 years of more that create no moral case whatsoever for a thing to continue.
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Permalink Reply by Paulie on
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I'll have to take your word for that Hugh but it seems to me clear that it is a narrower road than Wightman (although I haven't measured it). In any event I would re-open it if it was down to me as I can't see any reasons to keep it closed.
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I'm afraid that no matter how clear it may be to you Paulie, both roads are almost exactly 8 metres in width.
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Mount Pleasant Road is a narrow residential road and isn't closed to traffic - not sure it bears comparison to WR!
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Exactly! It has turned into a major thoroughfare. If it hadn't, you wouldn't be concerned about the prospect of it re-opening!
As for the question about life expectancy, I suggest you ask the question of the people living on Green Lanes (who, I should point out, won't have leafy gardens to escape to from the fumes from near-stationary traffic below their windows!)
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Permalink Reply by Justin Guest on
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Sorry Paulie, I was responding directly to your statement that "I can't see any benefits at all".
As to the impacts on others on Turnpike lane and Green Lanes, absolutely, they are also getting the sh*t end of the stick too. So, lets do something about that if we can.
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Hugh
You yourself made the point that history of a road is important in deciding how it should operate now.
I am making the point that Wightman Road for at least the last fifteen years has been a major thoroughfare used by residents of Harringay and others to reach points north and north-west of Harringay as well as south of the area.
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I didn't make that point, Paulie. If you have another look, you'll see that I used history to explain to you how the logic in your 'point' about the road's origins was at fault.
And that does me on this part of the conversation I'm afraid. We've been over this ground before and I'm not convinced that we're going to get anywhere.
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I was referring to your response to me on the "getting peopled thread". As for not getting anywhere, it is a shame you take that view as I am open to having my mind changed (and have had my mind changed on certain things, as I have already conceded on here! :) )
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Permalink Reply by Michael Anderson on
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I think that maybe you could try looking at it a different way Paulie. Stand on Wightman Road and think "If I was planning traffic flows for the borough, would this be the right place to take over 100,000 vehicles a week"
Just because that is how things have ended up doesn't mean it is right or that it should always be that way.
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