Harringay, Haringey - So Good they Spelt it Twice!
I don't think the Council is listening at all
I'm becoming increasingly disillusioned with the readiness of our council to include residents in local or borough wide policy priorities and plans.
Two local issues have led me here. The first is the Council's handling of the Green Lanes Corridor traffic spending and their response to a petition from the residents of Harringay about draft plans. I hope to deal with that soon on a separate post.
The second issue is the long drawn out issue of the banner on Harringay Bridge. There's been much talk - mainly dissatisfaction - on the site about Harringay Bridge. So when an email arrived last year from the Council announcing that the banners would be changed and seeking resident opinion, it seemed like residents might finally get a say.
Here's what the email said
The Green Lanes Strategy Group (GLSG) will soon be considering updating the current banners on the Green Lanes Bridge in Harringay. It was previously agreed by the GLSG that advertising spaces would be made available using the two small banners on both sides of the bridge to generate an annual income in order to be able to provide regular maintenance of the surrounding area of the bridge and to ensure that the banners are updated and kept free of graffiti. It was also agreed that local businesses would be given priority to use the advertising spaces available; the only take up at that time was from McDonalds. The contract with McDonalds is now coming to an end in September 2010. There are now sufficient funds generated through the advertisement to upgrade the banners and replace the small ones to their original display identifying the two wards. However in doing this, GLSG is mindful that no further advertising space will be made available and therefore, no further income will be generated to continue the future up keep of the surrounding area of the bridge and that of the banners.
In view of this, and before any final decisions are taken by the Green Lanes Strategy Group, community representatives on the GLSG are asked to consult with their respective community groups for their views regarding:
1. the possibility of continuing to use the bridge banners for advertising / sponsorship purposes from local businesses.
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2. to revert back to the original banners without any advertisements
The GLSG is due to meet in September and I look forward to receiving your comments by no later than the week beginning 30 August.
The banner design was put out to consultation. Please can you provide me with a full copy of the consultation results.
Believing the Council would want local opinion taken into account, Harringay Online ran a survey which looked at a broader set of issues on what locals would want on a new banner. 218 people responded. The survey results in full are attached to this post. Perhaps the most notable finding on the survey was on the matter of what will be written on the banner:
The only replies I received on this submission were:
1. From Nilgun Canver - Thanks Hugh. This is helpful. We’ve got time until Sept. Let’s see what the others will say. Pls. forward to Dasos for me.
2. From Dasos - Thanks again for sending me the outcome of your on line survey – what would also be helpful if you can send me the figures on the number of people in each category that contributed
3. On a side copy from the Gardens Residents Association - So far we have had 9 replies to the GRA consultation concerning the bridge do we want advertising or not on the banners. I will be sending the results to Dasos soon- so if you have not yet voted - please do let me know asap.
I am also attaching below the document I sent in reply to Dasos. message (in 2 above). In addition to providing the breakdown requested, it also summarises other responses received to the 'consultation'.
You can imagine therefore how surprised I was when my next communication on this was the following email from the Council last Monday:
The Chair (of The Green Lanes Strategy Group) has also asked me to attach for your information, the final design for the Green Lanes Centre Bridge Banners (below). The colours of the banners are in the "Haringey Green" although this is not clear from the attached. The banners will be installed as soon as possible.
So on the same day I wrote again to the council, pretty much saying what I've said above; this time to Claire Kober (Leader) cc Nilgun Canver (Chair of Green Lanes Strategy Group & 'cabinet' member responsible). I concluded by saying:
Whilst I can understand that the Council might not want to base decisions on the results of a survey run by Harringay Online, I would expect at least that our survey would act as a flag to local opinion and the Council would run its own consultation. 90% of our survey respondents chose an option other than the one that has apparently been chosen now by the Council. However, as it stands now, no local opinion was sought by the Council on the issue of what legend will be used, despite the very clear signal our work showed about the importance of the issue.
We're trying very hard to work with the Council and support giving local people more say on their neighbourhood. The Council's response to this representation of local opinion leave me quite frankly gobsmacked. Surely this isn't worthy of Haringey.
(Yes. okay by I was miffed).
Two days later the following email arrived:
Dear All
Further to the email below I would like to clarify the last paragraph.
The final design of the 'Green Lanes Centre Bridge Banners' will be discussed and agreed at this meeting (under item 4 on the agenda).
We apologise for any confusion this may have caused.
Kind regards,
Judith Comrie
By way of an interesting footnote. someone forwarded me the following message left by the former Chair of the Gardens' Residents Group on their Yahoo Group (You have to be a Gardens' residents to join):
I know this has already been discussed, but I think the presence of a banner
on the bridge really degrades the area.
So this issue is clearly one that concerns all parts of Harringay, including informally represented as well as formally represented residents.
I guess I must take the Council at their word. Whilst the fact that they've only prepared and circulated one option leaves me more than a little sceptical, and whilst the design suggests that this is a sign for the traders and Green Lanes rather than the whole of Harringay, it may be that after all the Council is willing to find a way of at least making a decent attempt at reflecting residents' views in what is after all the gateway to our neighbourhood.
The meeting that will decide is on Thursday 17 March 2011 at 7.30 pm at Woodlands Park Nursery, Woodlands Road, London N15.
Tags for Forum Posts: consultation, glsg, harringay banner, harringay bridge
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Permalink Reply by HoL Site Admin on
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More from our Facebook page:
Abi Silvester A clear indication that they're not listening on other matters, even if you don't care about this one (which I personally do!)Rachella Sinclair Do aesthetics have anything to do with anything? That sign is just plain ugly.
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Permalink Reply by Alan Stanton on
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So all "The traders" think and do one thing? While "The residents" are another collective 'hive mind' with but a single voice? And worst of all, there's an entity - "The Council" - which fails to listen because . . . ?
Oh, of course. Because every one of its several thousand employees and elected members thinks and acts in exactly the same way. This follows biological alteration and programming to remove all sense of individuality and form a huge singular consciousness.
(Tottenham Hale ward councillor. My cybernetic implants due next Friday. Resistance is futile.)
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Permalink Reply by JeremyS on
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Not finding fault at all RR. Just pointing out that we're all human, that little things in the locality matter to most of us and sometimes we decide to take an oppositional stance. I don't fault you for that at all.
My little beefette with you is over your criticism of other people caring about the little things and doing their best to address them.
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Permalink Reply by KP on
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I'm sure there are quite a few of us who would love to move to a place where there aren't any dodgy traders/kebab merchants but unfortunately we can't all afford to. And as Jeremy has pointed out some of us would like to improve the area, there is so much potential for it if people care enough. As for Libya this a website for local issues not for those who want to sound-off about international affairs!
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Permalink Reply by Old-Age-Emporium(OAE) on
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As for Libya this a website for local issues not for those who want to sound-off about international affairs!
Kavitha, yours is a narrow view which misses rebelrebel's point and overlooks our national and global outlook. On your behalf I have taken the trouble of consulting the relevant sections in my copy of Muammar Al Gathafi's 'The Green (Lanes) Book' which, as we can see from his Third Universal Theory for a New Democratic Society, has for four decades been far in advance of Decameron's Big Society or Ul-Kober's Green Revolution. (Ask your Big Green Bookshop for your free copy of 'The Green Book'.) John, rebelrebel's whataboutery goes to the very heart of our Jamahiriya, basis of direct democracy in society and the social basis of the Third Universal Theory.
from 'The Green (Lanes) Book', p.23:
"On the question of Banners and Bridges, I shall hold an all-day conversation with my People tomorrow in Green Square. My People tell me they only want Al Gathafi Banners on every street and road. Ul-Kober may wish to follow our example but she must learn to consult her People by consultation through the Jamihiriyas.
"In a democracy, no one group or individual can claim the right to oversee progress on behalf of society as society is its own overseer. Any such claim by an individual or a group is dictatorial. Democracy means all society overseeing its own progress. Al Gathafi or Ul-Kober are only our People's servants and figureheads."
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OAE I don't appreciate your patronising remarks. I probably know more about international affairs that you so I am sure I could pass on a reading list of my own. If I wish to be informed about world affairs I can speak to people who are far more educated and well-informed. I don't need to be lectured by pompous types like your good self. I suggest you go and preach to people who want to listen.
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Permalink Reply by John McMullan on
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It was humour. I am still laughing. You talked about Libya and he accused you of having a narrow view. He was being funny. It just hate it when people "decide" to take offence at very good satire on here.
"I probably know more about international affairs that you" - them's fightin' words. Feel free to edit, I often do and you have eleven minutes left.
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Not preaching, just quoting in the main.
In brief, don't restrict HOL to the locally parochial. Local is global.
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I'm sure John's right, but I can completely understand why Kavitha took offence. It's not always easy to work out on forums what's behind what someone's saying - are they being funny or just taking the piss. I sometimes wish there was a way to flag it up so it's harder to give offence.
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Permalink Reply by John D on
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Nice, John D. You're in fine form. Obviously OAE patronises everyone. If only some big blowsy HOLlette would matronise me.
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