Harringay, Haringey - So Good they Spelt it Twice!
Hornsey Rail Depot Expansion (Hampden)
I've just been to the display in the West Indian Cultural Centre and have come back pretty much reassured. It doesn't look as if they will be taking over any more land nearer the New River but they will be erecting a train washing shed on existing track. I'm ok (he said smugly ) because the existing buildings will shield me from any increased activity. A lot of the track development seems to be on land to the north of the Hampden Road pedestrian bridge, behind Wilmot and the steel stockholders.
The pedestrian bridge over the tracks, the New River and the Turnpike Lane bridges are to be widened (that'll be fun).
On site movements will be limited to 5 mph and all engines will be electric, so no idling diesels.
I asked if we could post a copy of their plans on HOL and they promised to get back to me with permissions.
The pedestrian bridge over the tracks, the New River and the Turnpike Lane bridges are to be widened (that'll be fun).
On site movements will be limited to 5 mph and all engines will be electric, so no idling diesels.
I asked if we could post a copy of their plans on HOL and they promised to get back to me with permissions.
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Permalink Reply by Old-Age-Emporium(OAE) on
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Thank you John for remembering and attending. Despite my original post on this I forgot all about it being on Friday and yesterday. As you say, much more reassuring than perhaps feared.
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Permalink Reply by StephenBln on
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lol - Local journalism at it's best..
I though the 'rag' was concerned about the views of those buildings adjacent to the new depot - no, the others further away are meant - no doubt because they cost more to buy..
Anyone who bought a property next to the railway since the 1850s must have known that it will be loud and used for railway 'type' purposes..
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Permalink Reply by Birdy_Too on
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Totally Stephen, I would have thought the New River People would have welcomed the building as it would block the view of the riff raff tother side of the tracks.
Off topic but has anyone been to the Pumphouse? Went in a couple of months ago and walked out, looked awful inside, the type of place where it is en vogue to be overly miserable, although the building is lovely.
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Permalink Reply by matt on
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Pumphouse?
All who I know that have been to the Pumphouse complain that it's ridiculously expensive and don't bother going back apparently.
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Don't you just love that bit of NetworkRailspeak, that "it will use trees and shrubs to shield it (the depot) from residents?" A dangerous lot, those Old Pumphouse residents - yet strangely calmed by a few saplings and a little shrubbery.
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Permalink Reply by John D on
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As promised, Network Rail has sent the info. I'm not sure I can upload a pdf file but here goes ...
It did! Aren't computers wonderful :-) - Attachments:
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5818_Hornsey Rail Plans.pdf, 177 KB
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Nice graphics, John. How long for the trees to grow?
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Permalink Reply by GN8 on
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Thanks for letting us all know this is happening.
I had a look at the PDF and I am concerned that where planes and site maps appear, the resolution of the images is so bad that it is impossible to see the detail of it.
Regardless of the 'nice leaflet' and public consultation, I suspect the scope of influencing this development via these means is none existent. Nevertheless learning from our rich experience with railway and planning, I would urge everyone to spend some time looking into the environmental impact assessments they have done, just to make sure nothing is lurching in the small print...
Regarding the electric rolling stock and noise - that would be a welcome improvement, as the noise of idling engines have been a great issue over the last 2 years. And if I can hear it and be disturbed by it living on Uplands Road, I can only imagine the level of irritation it would create for those leaving much closer on Whitman road. However the mention of freight trains is relevant as I suspect those will increase in time and probably will be run by diesel for a long time coming....
Thanks again
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I agree about the disappointing resolution.
I believe that railways are a law unto themselves and not subject to Council Planning Permission. For instance, railways are allowed to generate as much light pollution as they feel like and don't fall under the recently proposed restrictions.
I thought the recent reference to freight trains was on another line - Harringay Green Lanes ?, but I may be wrong on that
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You are right! the railway has some sort of free reign overriding much of planning law.
We learned that through the London Concrete planning application...
However regarding noise we found out that it is a great issue not just here but all over the country. We also found at the time, Gov documents which lay some rules about idling engines. The rule is max time of 10 minutes. If they have to stop somewhere more then 10 minutes they should shut down. But here they don't. In the last year or so it got really bad with trains idling 10 - to 24 hours solid especially over the weekends. This seems to have stop now, thankfully.
Re Wightman Rd, During the public inquiry appeal of the London Concrete application we had a site visit around the site, visiting some of the properties on Wightman Rd was part of it. It was the first time I visited some of the properties on the railway side of road...
I was shocked to see how close to the properties the trains are passing...
However for that reason I assume many of the properties on that side of the road are rented out rather then lived in by the owners. And tenets seem less interested in making a stand for some reason. I may be wrong of course, however that is what I remember from few years ago.
Re freight trains, I don't know much about Harringay Green Lanes line, but the siding at the south west end of the Hornsey depo site is being used by freight trains transporting aggregates. Although London Concrete has not started construction yet, the siding and railway has been transformed to accommodate open wagons freight trains which not only move through the site but often are seen parked on the siding. Essentially the site is used as OPEN AIR AGGREGATE DEPO as they threatened they will do if LC will not get planning permission. However despite the fact that LC got their permission on appeal, the site is being used as a parking lot for open aggregate filled wagons.
...But it's certainly going to get a whole lot worse with the M25 of the train network about to be dropped right outside their back gardens....
It is of great concern but then again we have seen it coming and as you point out not many people are protesting about it. Not sure it would make a difference if they did.
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