Harringay, Haringey - So Good they Spelt it Twice!
High winds tear apart Harringay Passage
12:30am Sat 15/02/14 - high winds cause chaos for Harringay's Passage;
Luckily all is calm on Falkland Rd;
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Permalink Reply by Nick G-T on
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The fallen fence is between Fairfax/Effingham isn't it? Wouldn't it be great if they didn't replace the barbed wire? FoHP, is there an opportunity for change here?
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Permalink Reply by matt on
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Yes ... & yes!
Was lots of that orange barrier stuff flying about blocking roads & paths as well .
An FoHP opportunity? Seems the Lib Dem councillors & the Labour one are battling it out to out do each other on the issue of the passage 'regeneration' with different meetings with the council officer and different letters flying around!
Was with Adam coming back from the pub when we came across nature's passage realignments as pictured above. We were just discussing whether a quorum of 2 was enough for an emergency meeting when Gina flew by on a four wheeled scooter thingy, tooting her horn (all shiny and red it was) exclaiming that 'all was in hand!'
With that reassurance we tottered off to our respective residences to dream of planters, railings and art painted by numbers ...... for another day
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Permalink Reply by Lauren on
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Gosh! I daren't even look out in my garden this morning!!! I
If anyone does need any emergency repairs my handyman fella is about today and would be happy to pop round. Alan 07847 380123.
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Permalink Reply by Geoff on
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This is not barbed wire, it is RAZOR WIRE, which is exceptionally vicious. I am concerned that a householder is allowed to put up razor wire alongside a public thoroughfare. There are more benign, but effective, ways of deterring intruders.
The razor wire at this location on the Harringay Passage continues to be potentially dangerous to passing pedestrians, including the many school children who pass by, but is also an unpleasant eyesore. Its presence is questionable in terms not only of its desirability but also its legality (see Police comments below).
The collapse of the fence should be dealt with immediately by Council operatives who have experience of dealing with hazardous obstacles/refuse. The more people who report this hazard to the Council, the quicker it is likely to be dealt with (http://www.haringey.gov.uk/index/contact/report-it).
This incident highlights how dangerous this razor wire is, as now all passers-by are exposed to it while it is strewn over the ground. I would have thought that the use of razor wire would be deemed unacceptable, or illegal, in this kind of residential location.
The police comment as follows at https://www.askthe.police.uk/content/Q78.htm
"Using barbed/razor wire and broken glass in order to stop people getting in to your home is not advisable. You are making yourself liable to civil action as you owe a duty of care to ensure that visitors to your property are reasonably safe. Odd as it may seem, you also owe a duty of care to trespassers.
The use of such a preventative measure could also be seen as being detrimental to the neighbourhood.
Using other methods of crime prevention such as trellis fencing and defensible planting is often more effective and pleasant to look at. Trellis fencing is effective because it increases the height of the boundary and it is not usually strong enough to hold an intruder's weight Therefore, they may not want to risk climbing over it, breaking it and making a loud noise.
Prickly plants such as Hawthorne, Poncira, Pyracantha (rapid growth), Rosa rugosa, or any kind of Berberis are an effective obstacle against possible intruders and much more pleasant to look at.
Whatever method you use, it is important to ensure that you have planning permission, if required, and you do not leave yourself open to civil proceedings. Please see websites in related information for more detail or contact your local crime prevention/reduction officer."
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Permalink Reply by Alan Stanton on
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As of now - 12:20 on 15 February - is there razor wire still in the Passage? If so have any steps been taken to put warnings on it? Or fence it off?
As well as reporting it via the Council's website etc has anyone actually spoken to a person and got someone from the Council's emergency staff to agree to come out? If so what timescale was promised?
If not, can someone locally please take a look and ring the Council's out of hours emergency number. http://www.haringey.gov.uk/index/contact/outofhoursemergencies.htm If you get the runaround please contact one of your local councillors. I see that Karen Alexander has spotted my tweet on the general issue. So she's around.
Good for you Karen! I'm sure you and Emine Ibrahim will build a good working relationship in the interest of local people instead of operating in dysfunctional party silos.
(Tottenham Hale ward councillor)
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Permalink Reply by Michael Anderson on
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Interestingly, this was picked up in the audit of Harringay passage almost two years ago. I assume no action was taken
"A number of householders have placed razor wire and/or broken glass on top of walls that border the Passage. Some of these are on low walls and could easily harm children playing in the Passage. All householders with these security measures should be contacted and warned about the potential risk to children, their own liability for injury and alternative border security (e.g. using dense and thorny planting)"
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Permalink Reply by Karen Alexander on
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I've been out this morning, the fence with razor wire is really dangerous. I have spoken to the council and they will be sending a surveyor to assess the situation in the next two hours. Please let me know if there is anything else dangerous which needs my attention.
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Permalink Reply by RNM on
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Ah great - I was just logging on to see if anyone else had called the council yet as I just passed the razor wire with my small children on the way home a few minutes ago. My three year old made a beeline for it as it was so "pretty and shiny" so I was going to call the council if nobody was on it. Thanks Karen!
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Permalink Reply by Zena Brabazon on
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Hi Karen
If a wall has collapsed then Building Control need to have a look at it. If they are coming out then please ask them to go to Mattison Road as well, or, better still, to inspect the whole passage while they are on site.
Zena Brabazon
Cllr, St. Ann's Wardemail: zena.brabazon@haringey.gov.uk
07854 002 318
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That's great, Karen. I'm glad that a least a few councillors understand the value of an active local website. And who don't think - as some seem to - that it's an illegitimate rival to their exalted position as slightly-bigger-than-usual-fish in their stagnant little ponds.
If Ed Miliband really means what he said in the Hugo Young Lecture he'll need to send Labour councillors and candidates a reading list and check they've read and understood at least one or two of the ideas in it. Facilitating residents and other public services users sharing information and views with each other; and in dialogue with professional staff - it's there in the lecture.
I expect that Noel Park councillor James Stewart - who is often in photos with Ed round the country - is crystal clear on these issues. Although James seems to be a rather shy and modest man, as I've never actually heard him say anything on these issues. Or indeed anything useful at all. Except the phrase: "Let's move on". Which is probably shorthand for: "Let's all listen closely to Ed and adopt his new thinking.) But I'm certain James has been working tirelessly behind the scenes to make our colleagues understand this.
(Tottenham Hale ward councillor)
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Had a report of a collapsed wall in the Harringay Passage by Mattison Rd, which some people are walking over and others are turning back to avoid - I've not seen it, yet.
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It seems to have operated as a wind tunnel. Amplifying the impact of the high winds.
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