Harringay, Haringey - So Good they Spelt it Twice!
Google Wave invites
I have 8 google wave invites if anyone wants one.
Message me your email if you want one.
Don't share email addresses in the thread please
Updated: I now have 23 of them. Doesn't anyone want one? :)
Message me your email if you want one.
Don't share email addresses in the thread please
Updated: I now have 23 of them. Doesn't anyone want one? :)
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Permalink Reply by John D on
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Points taken both of you. But do I want people to know who I am ? Does my existence need to be validated ? Surely that was the very idea that Descartes was putting forward.
You might have been better to quote John Donne on this :-) but people
( youngsters harrumph ) validate their existence by the number of facebook buddies or twitter followers they have, not by what they create and communicate.
Information, in itself, is valueless unless it adds to our understanding of the world. The idea of manufacturing and selling data is an excellent example of this crazy world - you can't eat data, or use it to fertilise a field. We need information to tell us that product 1342 has a left-hand thread but very few people need to know that Stephen Fry is in a lift.
Journalism is a good example of the value of the manufacture and sale of information. The " Daily Mail " tells us today that the bank bailout cost £40,000 per family: The " Telegraph " says £5,500 per family.
Can I have a Meldrew please Liz ?
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Permalink Reply by John McMullan on
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It's easy for you to say you don't need recognition or validation or for people to know who you are. When you shot your movie of the Harringay Festival somone recognised you and said "Ah, it's John XXX from the BBC". It's always the famous people putting down these new ways of communicating isn't it.
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No they didn't, and I'm not famous. What they said was " Ah it's Mr Attenborough from the BBC "
Another demonstration of the danger of dodgy information :-)
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Permalink Reply by james walsh on
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John D.
As (proud) current Meldrew champion i can offer some tips.
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Permalink Reply by Liz on
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I'm not sure they do validate by followers/friends in the way you imagine (okay a few might think that having 10,000 people listed makes you important but I think they'd be idiots in any time and culture).
Most normal people only friend on Facebook people they know and on Twitter you follow people who talk about what interests you (like a subscription). Their content must have some value for you or you would not bother with them - if their content becomes dull, self promotional etc you 'unfollow' (like cancelling a subscription). You don't read everything they produce just as you don't read every article in the newspaper. Humans are very good at 'filtering'.
On journalism...well what can I say? They may be the biggest losers in this revolution. We don't need people to mediate the news if we can get it ourselves from source, i.e read the published reports ourselves.
No, no Meldew. Those are for gratuitous grumpy grumblings not simply for having opposing philosophical views on the nature of communication :)
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On which note, though somewhat OT or even OTT, I am informed that those verbs 'friend' and 'unfriend' now grace the Oxford Dictionary of American English. No doubt by next year the OED itself will have succumbed to these barbarisms. Why not befriend and defriend ? And as for 'unfollow', why not just a hearty f--koff ?
John D and James, to my aid, please.
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Is that Site Admin I see lurking over there, with a Meldrew poised and ready for your chest?
Sir, your countryman Mr Joyce invented dozens of words, some of which I believe ended up in usage. My good friend Billy Shakespeare invented many many common words in use today.
New words are the very lifeblood of the English language. If we do not accept that, we'll end up like the Academie Francaise, wailing about the use of le weekend, le babysitting etc while the young people merrily ignore them and their M. Victorish ways
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Yet I think Mr Joyce's alter ego, Stephen D, was a little aghast that his English born tutor, ignorant of that good English word tundish, had to fall back on the french import funnel instead.
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Permalink Reply by Michael Anderson on
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Þes sy diht wé dulmúnus á stede stefn gif ædsceaft cásus wæron ne þurhte (Old English for This is how we would all speak if new words were not accepted).
Got it from the Old English translator - great fun for all the family this crístesmæsse -
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Permalink Reply by Alan Stanton on
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I have a GoogleWave invitation. But haven't yet done anything about it. I have niggles - which perhaps echo some of what John_D has written.
Can someone give me an idea how much time it will take to get something worthwhile out of this new tool? Like John_D, I'm feeling that existing tools are starting to dominate.
I now have two phone numbers + Skype. I've two 'main' email addresses; plus Ning and Flickrmail. Meanwhile post-people bring letters; and more stuff arrives in envelopes from the Council. I've a pile of unread reports and books. Oh, and newspapers - "everyday the paperboy brings more".
I choose not to have a mobile phone and my eyesight is too poor to use Texting with comfort. I'm also sick of trying to talk face-to-face with people who constantly interrupt conversations to speak on one or even two mobiles.
But how practical is it to, "turn it off"? Lots of people now see this as gross bad manners.
"I sent you a text message/ email/ tried to phone you. Why didn't you answer . . . " (Unsaid implication) ". . . you rude ungrateful anti-social low-life."
My second big niggle is about people being able to find calm quiet space with enough time for focussed, reflective substantial pieces of work.
An academic author once told me his writing method. To produce books teeming with life and ideas he paid to stay by himself in a residential library. It offered a beautiful building with grounds for the occasional walk. Meals were prepared by someone else. No phones. No kids. No pets to feed. To a large desk in a calm silent room he took his piles of notes, a huge stack of pristine notepaper, a fountain pen and large bottle of ink.
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Alan, surely your problem comes not from the technology but from your position.
Of course, they are going to demand why you didn't do it the minute it arrived in your inbox, you are a councillor so you must be superhuman, thickskinned and obviously picking on them alone in not getting back to them.
As to your question about time/worthwhile tool, that is impossible to say as a general rule. I can see some very good uses for it but maybe not yet for everyone, as it does take time to learn. How can you persuade someone happy with this tool to use that tool until they have taken some time to use it? What may happen is that the tools you use now will evolve into something that resembles the new tool. (if you see what mean).
As to that academic author, maybe that was he needed because he persuaded himself it was so. J K Rowling wrote the first Harry Potter with kids in tow, in cafes to keep warm and managing as a single mum. Maybe its comparing apples with pears in terms of content but you see my point, I hope. You can sit in the most beautiful room in the world and have nothing in your head or have your greatest insight while riding home on the W5 bus.
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