Harringay, Haringey - So Good they Spelt it Twice!
Furniture store being advertised for Queen's Head despite planning conditions
I've just picked up a tweet from John McMullan with the following text and picture:
Ha ha! Queen's Head Harringay kept as a pub... and I laughed and laughed and laughed.
My understanding is that planning permission was granted with provisos that included:
the applicant retain the use of the ground floor of the building as a public house. A feasibility study would have to be conducted using a team approved by the council if the applicant wanted to, in the future, change the use of the ground floor
At the very least, it appears that the developers are acting in bad faith.
I've been on the phone to planning and was told that the decision has yet to be published with these provisos.
Perhaps our councillors might intercede on this if possible.
Tags supplement: More conversations on this topic in the Friends of the Queen's Head Group
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Replies to This Discussion
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Permalink Reply by E. F. Salzman on
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Right, there's Disney's. In reply to earlier comment there are no furniture stores along this stretch.
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Permalink Reply by Duguneek on
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Hi Ruth, the community is changing and so will the shops. People are transiting not going to pubs. After 6 months or whatever it is landlords change (read often dump) mattresses. Suppliers should collect and dispose of the old ones not the council two days later!
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Permalink Reply by Ruth on
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I know, I know..... always mattresses somewhere along the street that no one collects. I think the community has been like this for as long as I've been around really. Some changes but shifting population while the ones that stay have to pick up the mess a lot of the time. It's goes on all over, not just in Haringey. Now I'm getting depressed. Will go to yoga, not the pub!
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Hi Ruth, the community is changing and so will the shops. People are transiting not going to pubs. After 6 months or whatever it is landlords change (read often dump) mattresses. Suppliers should collect and dispose of the old ones not the council two days later!
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Permalink Reply by Liz on
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Even transient populations like pubs! I'm with one of the posters above that this establishment does not look like the sort of place your average Haringey landlord would be shopping for his/her tenants, so I don't think its emergence is much to do with the projected rise in the renting population of East Haringey.
It's more likely, as they said, trying to get in on the wedding trade that appears to be another trend on GL, with the surprising number of bridal shops that are fitted into such a small stretch of road.
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Permalink Reply by William Booth on
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And good (real ale!) pubs are having a massive resurgence too. There's gold in them thar ladders.
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Permalink Reply by John McMullan on
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Planning law is the way it is because traditionally local businessmen have been the ones with the resources to get themselves or a proxy elected. Once elected (or their brother/sister/mother/-in-law) they can place themselves on planning committees overseeing planning applications from competitors. Even rules brought in to make councillors exempt themselves when conflicting issues are discussed don't work.
Last night at the GLSG meeting I witnessed this potential problem in action. A local hairdresser spoke about the apparent proliferation of hairdressing establishments in Harringay and that even the council were powerless to stop this. Yes exactly!
This is an important point which I think you're all missing.
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Permalink Reply by Alan Stanton on
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I still can't believe you wrote that, John. Or maybe there's a typo in there? Planning law is national legislation. Not made by Planning Committees.
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Laws may be national but how they interpreted and applied vary at local level. But wheeling and dealing does go on, always has. We only have to look across the country and across the decades. National govt. doesn't get involved in local decisions about what buildings should be what, surely? I am thinking of scandals of 60s (or was it 70s) the Rachman type of thing...
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The planning laws do not vary at local level Ruth, lawyers working for the companies involved make sure of that.
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Alan, perhaps you need to thumb through your RTP and remind yourself of the electric company versus gas company shenanigans. Sometimes I really do wonder whether you're a socialist or just a bit soft. No wonder the Tories think there's no difference.
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The planning laws don't vary at local level, John. Because they are national laws. There are planning policies at London and Borough and sometimes local level - such as conservation areas and no conversion areas. Ruth is right about variations in how they are applied at local level.
Beyond that you've completely lost me.
What you describe is far more fascinating than the boring stuff I've sat through in Haringey about garages being turned into flats. And whether or not new buildings can have balconies. Or combined heat and power. Okay I know we're had the fantasy "Village" at Tottenham Hale. And the completely misguided plan - at the public expense - for a 100 hour pharmacy at the Laurels,
But hey, that's nothing compared to a really dramatic world of hairdressers and councillors who ignore conflict of interest rules. With mysterious shenanigans involving the brothers, sisters and mothers-in-law of local business people on planning committees. Plus: gas companies; the Green Lanes Strategy Group; and more hairdressers.
I look forward to the Danish TV adaptation with Sofie Gråbøl taking the role of Claire Kober.
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