Harringay, Haringey - So Good they Spelt it Twice!
Electric car cables across pavement / Highways Act
Has anyone experience of running an electric vehicle charging cable across the pavement? I've noticed a few people on the ladder do it, but the council appear to claim this breaches Part IX of the Highways Act 1980.
I assume the council are referring to section 178(1) which states the following:
No person shall fix or place any overhead beam, rail, pipe, cable, wire or other similar apparatus over, along or across a highway without the consent of the highway authority for the highway, and the highway authority may attach to their consent such reasonable terms and conditions as they think fit.
However even assuming charging your car across a pavement involves 'placing' a cable, the highway authority can consent to the placing of a cable, which implies it should be possible for Haringey counsel to give permission for this.
The council advice notice is here (and attached below):
https://www.haringey.gov.uk/sites/haringeygovuk/files/1346.26_plann...
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Permalink Reply by Jezza on
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There isn't a single public charging point on the ladder, and as you say it's illegal to run the cable across the pavement.
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Permalink Reply by Sarah on
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The solution is clearly more charging points. We should be encouraging people to switch to electric cars.
In the meantime I have nothing against well-marked cables across the pavement, especially in situations where there is no reasonable alternative. I say this as someone prone to trips and falls, though obviously I can't speak for all disabled people so it would be good to hear from others.
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Permalink Reply by Gabriel on
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Totally agree - there are obvious accessibility issues, but they don't seem unsolvable with a well marked (and low) cable protector. But then I don't have any mobility issues, so also interested in what others think!
I also think it's going to be years, if ever, that enough charging points are built - and so providing for cross pavement cables (or cable channels) is the only realistic solution for now.
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Permalink Reply by Bob Ruggles on
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I am 100% that any trip Hazard would be illegal. Workers can run cables as long as in walk over safety cover. But not as a regular tasks. Also expect most House hold insurance covers would not cover you is someone was injured or worse
Re Car charge points. Why not take it up with your Elected Ward Councillors
Or check with Council what their run out programme is for Vehicle Charging points
Not forgetting reports that it takes Ten years of use to be green, from making a Electric Vehicle
Still waiting to see what happens when Covid restrictions are over and more get on already congested roads. When they sit in the Nations over used roads. Unlike adverts of running on open roads
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On what basis do you think it illegal if the council consented under s.178(1) Highways Act?
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Retired Haringey Enforcement Officer. Who used to serve Notices / Fines for doing so
Biggest Joke, was over grown tree roots was causing more issues at time
It is going to be a issue. Not really well thought out. As even with resident Permits. No one has a Right to park in the Road outside their / rented property
Sure I read that they have to put in Power cables, separate to Household power . Which could lead to road / pavements being dug up. Which I have seen when ones fitted in my area
Fingers crossed someone will come up with a acceptable answer
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Good point re insurance. And re them not actually being that green. Obviously the best thing is not to drive a car at all.
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My problem with more charging points (which will be essential sooner or later) is they end up being put on the pavement.
Absolute state of some of these examples. Can't say I'd trust Haringey to do find a better alternative.
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The lamppost ones would work quite well for the time being. Ubitricity (that recently got bought by Shell) make some https://www.ubitricity.co.uk/b2b-local-authorities/
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There are more charging points coming soon, including on the ladder: https://www.haringey.gov.uk/sites/haringeygovuk/files/plans_that_de...
BUT they’re all going to be with the ludicrously expensive Source London network. I’ve written to the council to ask why they’re using this network and not one of the many, more reasonably priced, options (Source London charge by the minute and the price includes parking, which is entirely unhelpful for residents already paying for permits) - but no response.
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Permalink Reply by Hugh on
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Thanks for highlighting this issue and thanks for the responses. I'm learning a lot from this post.
I am assuming that my next vehicle will be at least a hybrid, but more likley fully electric. But, like many others. I'm sure, I'll be very reluctant to make that commitment unless I can be assured of a convenient, reasonably priced power supply near to my home.
This is clearly a major national conundrum which presents a particular problem for town and city dwellers without off-street-parking.
There appear to be two issues. The first is getting the infrastructure in place. The second is ensuring that the nature of the supply made through that infrastructure is
- efficient
- reliable and
- delivered at a reasonable price.
Something like the solution Jezza highlights above looks like it's probably the way to go. I have no idea how the scheme would measure up againt my criteria. But at least they could add significant capacity streets like those in Harringay without blocking up our pavements.
But, you have to wonder if councils, including Haringey ought to start doing something immediately. Should electric car owners be offered a means-tested subsidised charging point outside their house with a dedicated parking space? Imagine how that would accelerate electric car ownership.
In the meantime, we're faced with advice from our council that makes it pretty much impossible for most Haringey residents to consider electric car ownership (see full advice note added by Gabriel in the original post).
In an article entitled Shock to the System Which? magazine have written about the issue of our charging infrastructure in their April issue. Their focus is more on a range of issues concerned with the the nature of the supply (see three criteria above). But they do also highlight the needs of consumers without off-street parking.
The article also references a current government consultation on charging points, The consumer experience at public electric vehicle chargepoints. You can read the consultation documentation and respond here.
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