Harringay, Haringey - So Good they Spelt it Twice!
Crossrail 2 safeguarding consultation
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Permalink Reply by Joanna Knight on
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hi,
literally just posted a similar message too!
http://www.harringayonline.com/forum/topics/crossrail-2-safeguardin...
I am not sure what/ where to go with this either.
Jo
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Permalink Reply by HarringayBirder on
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Same here!
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Permalink Reply by Mavic Starfish on
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I'll be calling the phone number on the letter to get some clarification, not sure why they couldn't attach a map to the letter, very odd?
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The letter is quite mysterious but I've looked at the maps on the websites referred to. Essentially West Green Road itself forms a corridor which if you own property on it you may have to get past TfL as well as LBH if you want to build or carry out major works that might affect the planned railway line. (The "safeguarding area" is a bit wider than West Green Road but it looks like you and I are outside it.) If inside there us also a possible issue of disclosure to anyone who might be considering buying your house...
However the reason they wrote to me and you was because we are apparently within 200m of an area which is likely to see some work on the surface. The closest of these areas however seems to be the green area on the other side of Green Lanes from Duckett's Common.
What's still not clear is what they might be doing there - or, more importantly, how you might be affected in terms of noise, disruption etc if you live near the route.
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Thanks for the link Jo, and thanks for the explanation HB, that does seem to be one of the few areas of land around here that they could put lots of heavy equipment possibly? More research required
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Permalink Reply by John McMullan on
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If it's like Crossrail 1 then they will be putting temporary "offices" there. To see something similar, checkout Finsbury Circus at Moorgate.
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Permalink Reply by StephenBln on
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Thoughts Crossrail 2..
I pride myself in being a bit of transport buff, but fail to see why anyone from New Southgate or Ally Pally would want to try and travel to the West End 'the long way around' via Seven Sisters & Dalston Junction.
Why are Stoke Newington and Stamford Hill not getting stations?
Obviously Rail travellers from the North of London need better services into Central London, but to couple this with the long overdue 'Hackney-Chelsea tube' just doesn't gel with me at all. The same can be said of the South of London plans: Wimbledon > Tooting Broadway and then non-stop to Clapham Junction. It really is a dog's dinner.
http://1267lm2nzpvy44li8s48uorode.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-conten...
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I didn't say it was a tube sized line. It has however succeeded the Hackney-Chelsea tube line that had been planned since the 1970/80s.
It must be a great comfort for people in Stoke Newington and at Stamford Hill to know that a railway passes through, but doesn't stop. They will feel it's vibrations, but not it's benefits.
I don't actually go with the spin of the planners about 'getting a seat'. This line will replace two very high frequency bus routes, the 38 & 73 (and others), whose passengers will transfer. Overall there will be more capacity underground, but less overground. The planners don't say that.
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hmmph.. of course no line can't benefit everyone. I accept that.
But, a dog's dinner like this project, which is basically is trying to kill two birds with one stone - i.e. save money by saving on one cross-London route by combining two projects - the (Wimbledon) Chelsea - Hackney (Epping) line and a new CrossRail outer London service.
As for the comment regarding Stamford Hill - what's Seven Sisters got going for it then? Why is the interchange necessary there? I see no pressing reasons, apart that is that money is being pumped into Tottenham.
I'm not sure of your history, i.e how long you've been in London or how old, but experience tells me that either one or both of routes 38 & 73 will disappear. There has never not been a severe culling of bus routes when a new Underground line was opened. In fact, it is one of the justifications of providing new lines. The Overground section between Shoreditch and Dalston being the exception to the rule. The cull of routes after the opening of the Victoria Line was in the 20s.. with very many more changes. New Lines often cause not predicted changes in travel patterns.
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Oh, so you travel from Ally Pally to Seven Sisters to get back to Finsbury Park .. what a great improvement.
The 29 has a different 'daseinsberechtigung' to the Piccadilly Line .. providing the link towards Camden Town. Of note, the fact that route that DID parallel the Piccadilly line from Bounds Green to King's Cross from the 1910s until the middle of the 1990s (221) was cut back to Turnpike Lane. http://www.londonbuses.co.uk/_routes/current/221-2.html
Yes, 10 million by 2029 - maybe, But recycling the project manager's spin doesn't convince me. - check!
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Permalink Reply by Arkady on
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Quite. The purpose of the CR2 Ally Pally branch is divert passengers coming south on the East Coast Mainline and heading for the West End who would otherwise change on to the overcrowded underground lines & stations at Finsbury Park or King's Cross. At AP they will likely get a seat in a full-sized train all the way to their desired destination.
It will relieve those lines, the bus routes mentioned, and local stations along the route by removing through-passengers from the local lines by providing express capacity. Similar argument to High Speed 2.
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