Harringay, Haringey - So Good they Spelt it Twice!
Haringey Council Cabinet decision a little bit of help for beleaguered tobacco industry
FOLLOWING the Haringey Council scrutiny review of events in Finsbury Park, the Council Cabinet decided late last year to approve another tobacco sales facility for customers at the next Wireless Concert.
This followed the recommendations of the council's watch-dog, the Scrutiny Committee. The Committee successfully resisted the thrust of representations of the lobby group ASH and from the Borough's Director of Public Health.
The Cabinet's unanimous decision should again provide the kind of outlet and high-profile event that is so valued by the cigarette and rolling-tobacco industry.
The industry has been under pressure of late and Haringey-London—working together with their partner Live Nation—continue to do their bit to relieve it and to enhance customers' experience.
Last year's Tobacco Pavilion in Finsbury Park provided a range of products for the mainly youthful audience that numbered between 40,000 to 50,000, some of whom won't yet be using the industry's fare.
2016 will be third year running that our Local Government has given their seal of approval. What will be especially welcomed by the industry is that Wireless for Summer 2016 may be bigger and longer, with enriched commercial appeal.
The map above shows the spread of existing customers in the Borough, with the healthiest consumer-concentrations in the east.
CDC
Haringey Councillor
Liberal Democrat Party
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Permalink Reply by matthew cuthbert on
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Will Nigel Lawson be there to promote sales?
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Permalink Reply by Clive Carter on
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Matthew, did you mean Ken Clarke, formerly of British American Tobacco?
On the question of who else might be promoting sales, the Cabinet's unanimous decision again to approve a Tobacco Pavilion (and sub-textual Municipal message to endorse cigarettes) is slightly undercut elsewhere in the Council.
I came across this page today that appears to be inconsistent with the Cabinet's Wireless-Scrutiny decision. It suggests that the Cabinet's steer has not yet been taken on board in all parts of Local Government.
In 2012, Haringey Council (with Enfield) even published this negative document. Since 2014, however, Haringey's major Outdoor Events Policy has resulted in an impressive cigarette sales operation every summer.
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No, it's about permission and that was the subject over which there was much obfuscation for a long time.
It's now clear that, having considered the matter carefully, the Council has clearly given its permission for large-scale cigarette sales to take place on its land. It's a matter of public record.
To help illustrate: a newspaper is not obliged to carry advertisements but doesn't "ban" some adverts. If it chooses to run an ad for company Y's product, it is helping to promote company Y's product.
Distinguish between banning X and the right to withhold permission for X (as a owner, landlord and freeholder).
Especially in the circumstances, the Council's grant of permission is tantamount to promotion.
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Permalink Reply by Michael Anderson on
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Actually Matthew makes a really good point in his post below (10 February). A quit smoking presence would help to balance things a bit and give the health promotion people a chance to access a younger audience who are most at risk from starting.
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I agree, but I'm not convinced that Matthew envisaged a Quit Smoking tent alongside – or at least within the same steel stockade – as a Tobacco Pavilion for cigarette sales, with both having the equal permission of Haringey Council.
By "health promotion people", do you mean this?
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Alex, as much as I criticise those in public office it's not a job I would either want to do or be any good at
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I'll try once more to illustrate the difference between "banning" something and withholding permission. The State bans murder: it does not withhold it's permission for murder: they're not the same thing.
(I'm not arguing for a ban on smoking at Wireless).
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Permalink Reply by John D on
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Section 28 notoriously said local authorities should not promote homosexuality but it didn't tell them to ban same-sex relations. My view was that local authorities had no business telling people of either or any sexual orientation how to behave. Similarly, although I'm a recovering smoker, I feel that the Council has no business interfering in a legal transaction. If so, they would be equally justified in banning the sale of regular Coca-Cola, loaded with sugars.
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No iffs, no butts? This is another disappointing outcome for Haringey's youth, in addition to the polluting impact on Finsbury Park. What about the health of non smoking punters closely packed in the crowd. Smoking isn't cool.
This shows a complete disregard of the duties of office, as to constitute a virtual abandon of any duty of care for the people of Haringey.
I grew up with Quit smoking campaigns in Australia, the NHS is under enough strain without furthering avoidable risk.
I'd expect tents promoting help on quitting, as one of the many opportunities for our youth at events.
How can you campaign to save the Whittington, then deliver a body blow.
Why would Health England spend money on campaigns only to have their work undermined?
Completely irresponsible, they just don't care, & now everybody knows.
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Permalink Reply by Alan Stanton on
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Perhaps the tobacco industry would pick Ken Clarke as a Brand Ambassador? Or perhaps two actors playing the top and bottom halves of Mr Butts, Gary Trudeau's "hey-kids-great-news" cartoon creation.
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Alan at 2:13 today Haringey Council tweeted:
Haringey has signed a declaration that ensures tobacco control is at the heart of the council's public health work
However, the brain of the Council – the Cabinet – on 15 December 2015 voted for a package of measures to do with Wireless at Finsbury Park, including agreeing tobacco sales for the third year running.
Wireless 2016 promises to be bigger than ever before.
A Labour Councillor—who inspected the massive Wireless Festival in its first year of active promotion by the Council—told me that he saw cigarettes being merchandised by young women in mini-skirts, like usherettes, with halter-trays of product.
The Council's Twitter statement is at odds with this summer's coming promotion. The message has not got through to some parts of the Council, that the Cabinet continues to take concrete steps to help promote smoking.
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Permalink Reply by Antoinette on
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Smoking is not a crime. Not yet at least.
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