Harringay, Haringey - So Good they Spelt it Twice!
Council announces £300,000 for 'traffic calming" in 'The Gardens' area of Harringay
The following is a press release from Haringey Council:
A local community will help redesign the street layout of their neighbourhood through a Haringey Council project that will see the area transformed.
The Gardens area off Green Lanes in Harringay has been chosen for the Community Streets neighbourhood improvement project.
The project will look at several key elements including innovative traffic calming design, reclaiming space, designing the streets for people rather than traffic, and promoting healthy and environmentally friendly transport modes.
The first year of the two year project will involve regular meetings with the local community to agree proposals and plan the street works which will begin next year.
The council has asked Sustrans, the UK’s leading transport charity who completed the successful Turnpike Lane DIY Streets project last year, to work with them again to get the community involved.
Haringey's Cabinet Member for the Environment, Cllr Nilgun Canver, said:
"Community engagement is key to the success of this project. It will give the initiative back to residents and allow them to create a space suitable for people to meet, socialise, and play. I hope everyone will get involved and take this opportunity to help design their own neighbourhood."
The project is funded by the council and TfL and will focus on the Gardens neighbourhood, including: Chesterfield, Cleveland, Devon, Doncaster, Essex, Grafton, Kimberley, Portland, Rutland, Stanhope, Sussex and Warwick Gardens.
These roads were chosen because they are near to Green Lanes and will complement the upcoming town centre improvements.
The project will be completed by July 2014.
A community engagement event for Community Streets will take place on the 29 September in Grafton/Doncaster Gardens and will be linked with the Garden Residents' Association 10 year anniversary celebrations for their Community Garden.
Project newsletter attached.
Tags for Forum Posts: glsg, residents associations, traffic
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Permalink Reply by Justin Guest on
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Understood. Though I would have expected that any gate would be able to be opened for both festivals and emergency access.... Do they need to vote on that?
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Permalink Reply by Maddy on
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What about us?!!! Haringey has already turned the Gardens into a private estate, while we live on traffic-choked ladder roads.
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Permalink Reply by Penguin on
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Hello,
Its probably because the Ladder Roads do have speed bumps at least, whereas the Gardens has no traffic calming at all. Not even humps.
There are boy racer cars doing 60 mph on the Gardens regularly. I mean every day and it just makes you shudder with fear in case a child crosses the road at some point as these cretins speed down.
There has also been cars handbrake turning their car at the bottom of the Gardens roads. Crazy and unbelievable as it may sound, its true.
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Permalink Reply by John McMullan on
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They wouldn't be able to do that if you had more traffic. I thought that all 20mph roads in Haringey had to have traffic calming measures. Certainly this was the reason give to Islington as to why Stroud Green Rd could not be 20mph.
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Permalink Reply by John D on
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And that was the reply given by the police to the Haringey Transport Forum. A 20mph limit has to be self-policing - ie speed bumps.
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Permalink Reply by matthew cuthbert on
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As a previous PM used to say 'That's Crap,' Stroud Green should be 20mph, it's a much better way of getting about, less stress and safer, put a 20mph sticker on the back of your wheels folks.
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Keep saying What about Harringay, what about Wightman...? keep this link alive
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First well done to the Gardens team that have clearly done a spectacular job of squeezing blood from a stone during these austere times!
Second, as Julie B says, is there any traffic to calm on the Gardens? Now, I do not want to suggest the Gardens are unworthy recipients but as Alan asks how was the decision to award these funds made. I know I tend to put HoL on a pedestal, and is the font of all knowledge in these here parts, but I do not remember anything on HoL suggesting that a call for proposals for these kinds of activities had been made. (Did I miss something?)
I have certainly stated on several occasions that traffic needs to be calmed on many Ladder roads, especially those on the down roads and by the sides of the 2 Ladder schools. I have suggested highly effective raised bollards to slow people down (especially at the passage way crossing sites), such as at Woodlands Park Road. These would also have the dual effect of reducing the amount of vibration to local houses.
So, the main question I suppose I have is what should we be doing on the Ladder side to secure similar funding? Or, is that door shut?
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Permalink Reply by Hugh on
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I think your question is a useful one, Justin. Answering it might help us move forward. In the interests of searching out where that particular rabbit and hat that might be (let alone a methodology of getting the one out of the other), here is some background to the Gardens traffic calming funding:
- Criteria for the inclusion of neighbourhoods for DIY Streets projects in the Local Implementation Plan (LIP) (the Council's transport strategy) were approved in September 2009.
- In December 2010, the draft LIP was approved by the cabinet for submission to TfL. It apparently included DIY streets plans for only Hornsey, Noel Park and Langham Road only. Authority was given to cabinet member Nilgun Canver and her director of traffic to amend the LIP.
- In September 2011, Cllr Canver and her director submitted a report which had been revised to include a hitherto unseen a "Warwick Gardens" scheme. The cabinet approved this report for submission to TfL for funding of the 2012/13 LIP.
The attached pdf includes extracts from the relevant cabinet reports / plans / minutes.
Whilst this gives a framework for further questions, it leaves unanswered what decisions were taken that meant the LIP was revised to include the Gardens scheme. Throwing light on that might help us to work out what buttons might work to get some attention given to traffic over this way.
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Dear Nilgun,
I have already arranged to hypothecate my Council Tax (2013/14 - 2016/17) in favour of Wightman Road gentrification. When we have created our own space worthy for Wight(wo)men to meet, socialise, play and act the goat, I shall reconsider whether island & gated Garden Cities further east deserve any of my pension.
You know where I live. Cross the road and arrest me anytime you feel up to it.
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Permalink Reply by Liz on
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Sorry Anne, probably being dumb but where do you see micro-squares on Ladder roads? Doesn't the micro-square refer to the head road planning seen here and which seem to be mainly related to Green Lanes?
This is a Sustrans project like the one in Turnpike Lane and not related directly to the Outer London bid. The reason given is that it will 'complement' this scheme but I think the point is that these Sustrans projects are aimed at turning traffic black spots into calm environments. Basically once you get past Grand Parade, there will be no traffic calming from Warham upwards. Some ladder roads have become busy through roads. Given the Gardens bollards and the GL improvements, I think we are justified in wondering just what traffic is left to need calming?
The issue isn't why the Gardens and not the Ladder but how Sustrans DIY areas are chosen...see Alan's original post. Not moaning but legit questions about how decisions are made about how money is spent in the borough and worth asking where ever you live but given that every new brainwave of the council in this bit of N4/N8 just seems to increase traffic in Harringay Ward especially pertinent for us at the moment.
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