Harringay, Haringey - So Good they Spelt it Twice!
Consultation Documents Issued for Harringay's High Street
Further to my post last week, Haringey Council have today started a consultation for the Trader and GLA led project to spruce up Harringay's stretch of Green Lanes.
A copy of a six-page fold out document detailing the options for consultation is being posted through the letter boxes of Harringay residents today.
If you're a home and you've seen it, what do you think? Do you like the lights on top of the Salisbury?
Link: Online Consultation
Tags for Forum Posts: harringay regeneration 2012-13, high street parking, high streets, outer london fund
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Permalink Reply by Hugh on
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Thanks for drawing people's attention to that Arkady. Julia posted about that here.
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Permalink Reply by John McMullan on
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Green Lanes goes from Newington Green to Palmers Green. I have no idea why the council and Nilgun Canver think that they can rename the patch you describe as Green Lanes when it already had the name Harringay.
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Permalink Reply by Arkady on
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Yes, that’s clearly what’s going on here. This isn’t an astonishing and trail-blazing effort to improve the aesthetics and pedestrian experience of Green Lanes for a generation. No, it’s a conspiracy to rename an area after its High Street.
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Permalink Reply by Jeremyb on
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Am I the only person who wonders why the short stretch of St Ann's Road, next to the Salisbury, is one-way? Wouldn't it be better to make this two-way and relieve the many residents of Harringay, Colina and Salisbury Roads of through traffic? This would make the junction with Green Lanes busier of course, but there are far busier junctions in London which seem to cope OK. I think the one-way scheme was originally introduced back in 1963 when the experimental "walking man" pedestrian lights were introduced-- http://www.harringayonline.com/video/1963-pedestrian-crossing maybe it's overdue for a re-think?
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Permalink Reply by paddyk on
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a possible solution would be to pedestrianise the east side of this junction, and just have a restricted traffic flow anns rd/colina rd. this would give a useful focal public space and revitalise this area and lower the traffic volume at this busy junction. maybe look at oxford st, how is that handled? the east and west side of green lanes are cut off from each other by traffic. also hybrid buses might want to switch to electric when passing green lanes, less pollution - noise/air
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Permalink Reply by Birdy_Too on
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If this thread is going to be passed on to the consultation team then I would like to air my concerns regarding the removal of the bus lane/cycle lane. This, has no rational or logically argument. There has to be a balance even if there is only one bus lane which operates depending on what way the rush hour is flowing ie have three lanes rather than the four that are there now (2 regular traffic, 2 parking/bus lanes).
Also could the council, within their very lapse planning enforcement wedge in a clause against crimes to graphic design, typography and garish images? Some of the signs and shop fronts down there are just cheese.
Other than that it looks exciting.
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Is anything going to be done about the forest of satellite dishes on the approach to the railway bridge, opposite Arena?
It does make a bit of a laughing stock out of the area.
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Permalink Reply by John D on
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Have you complained to Haringey Planning Dept ? You're allowed ONE dish per building.
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Permalink Reply by Maddy on
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I've thought a lot about the bus lane/no bus lane situation. I can see all the arguments for keeping it, in terms of speeding up commuter journeys and providing a bit of space for cyclists - although this is only so when cars are not parked in it. I know that the bus zooms along between St Ann's and the bridge, but that is a relatively short part of the journey and it then crawls all the way up to Manor House with the rest of the traffic. As for cycling - I take my hat off to anyone cycling on Green Lanes at any point in it's length.
One problem on GL is the dominance at all times of traffic over pedestrians - you take your life in your hands crossing the road. And yes, I could walk two blocks up to the pedestrian lights and back down again to the newsagents/chemist/grocers/bus stop, and the same on the way back, but it would take me a lot longer (it often takes several minutes for the lights to change) so I don't. If we want a genuinely pedestrian-friendly shopping street it would be much easier to cross a mainly two-lane road.
There should also be very strictly enforced 20 or even 15 mph speed limits on GL (I know that may seem odd, since the traffic usually crawls along, but whenever it is clear people are entitled to drive at 30mph which is way too fast for such a busy area).
In short, I applaud trying to make the area a more pleasant place to shop and live, and less of a speedy traffic through route, even if this is at the expense of the bus lane.
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Permalink Reply by Alison P on
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I went asking to the consultation space at Paul Simon, to find out a bit more about the pavement/bus lane issue. It was really helpful in clarifying a few things. What I took away was the following:
1. The pavements will be significantly wider as a result of losing the bus lane.
2. However the new pavements will be shared use (cars parking/pedestrian).
3. When cars are parked on this shared space the amount of pavement available to pedestrians will be pretty similar to know, unless it is a section where cars can't park (eg near crossings). This isn't clear from any diagrams, I asked one of the engineers who has been involved in the planning.
I'm not really convinced that the small amount of extra pavement this will create (because any parking spaces available will be filled, based on current experience) makes it worth losing a bus lane that helps with traffic flow in the morning and helps cyclists too. So this remains my main concern with the plans which otherwise look great and very exciting. Does anyone know if TfL (who are making the decision about the bus lanes and resiting a couple of bus stops) are still consulting on this?
It's worth going to have a look at the plans - lots of info that isn't in what has been sent out and friendly people to talk to!
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Permalink Reply by Liza on
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Hmmm. if the main problem is parking, and shoppers having somewhere to park, I wonder if its worth revisiting the CPZ issue. From memory, in the days before the CPZ the real problem was with people parking all day, for work or train station access. if we were able to restrict the local CPZ's to a 2 hour window in the middle of the day (as is used in some other parts of London to manage this issue ) traders would have punters who could park and we could keep the bus lane. This was what we asked for all that long long time ago. If there was support for this we might be able to mobilise a bit better now to request it.
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Permalink Reply by Michael Anderson on
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I went to the drop in at Paul Simon this afternoon and had a chat with one of the helpful people there. The general feeling seems to be that TfL will give the thumbs down to the loss of the bus lanes.
On the idea of one way traffic on GL and Wightman. As Wightman is almost wholly residential it could be nightmarish to live there if that happened.
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