Harringay, Haringey - So Good they Spelt it Twice!
Closer to hell ...
... or, sleeping with the devil. Can't believe planning permission is given for such appalling developments as this. Clearly, if you're not allowed to build up it's OK to dig a hole in the ground! Sited cnr Frobisher & Willoughby Rds N8.
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Permalink Reply by John McMullan on
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I have been saying that we should be demolishing the lovely Victorian terraces we live in at the top of the ladder and building blocks of flats (like this) ourselves...
In this property's favour, it is actually going to be rented out and not just sat upon, and the open area is south facing. Let's hope it ages well.
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Permalink Reply by StephenBln on
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I agree with you on this John. I like the property too.
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Permalink Reply by 0l7ft44vlytse on
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How's this different to the 100 year old lower ground floor flats that exist on the Ladder already? I don't see a problem here
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Permalink Reply by christina edwards on
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like it
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Permalink Reply by matt on
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Jez, this is very different. Houses are often cut into a hill side. Never have I seen a level garden dug up and a 15 ft deep hole dug into the ground (four sides) and a house dropped into it. Not aware of anyting like this locally. Take a look if you haven't already.
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There are quite a few infill buildings of this type on the Ladder, typically near the corner of two roads, using space in a longish garden. This one (isn't 15 ft deep I think) 'replaces' a garage so is of similar above-ground height. The whole development is (for good or ill) an expansion in accommodation compared to the previous 3-4 bedroom house plus garage (I remember a discussion about it when the planning application was put in). Yes it's partly below ground level but the light levels won't be dismal. No it doesn't count as a basement extension, so controversial because of disturbance/damage to adjoining terraced houses - this is separated from the neighbouring house by a driveway through to another property. I'm not a supporter of uncontrolled development, but this one has more pluses than minuses.
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For what was there before, Google StreetView is your friend (Willoughby Frobisher N8, then use the history tool to go back to 2015).
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Some interesting reasoning you have there Gordon but you're working up from the lowest common denominator, like many people do these days. It's still, in my eyes at least, a ludricous development that should never have been allowed!
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Permalink Reply by Alan Stanton on
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Matt, can I invite you to expand on your views here. Perhaps making clearer what you would and wouldn't like to see. With a bit more about why.
In any case, I'm sure you realise that your "should never have been allowed" issue, in particular cases might require legal changes to Planning law - which severely curtails the power of local councils.
And there's a further issue about funding cuts to local Government. All the tripe about "back office savings" is meaningless when it means a front line service like Planning Enforcement no longer has enough staff with the necessary experience. Or sufficient legal back-up.
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Should never have been allowed - what grounds, matt?
- Overdevelopment (dwellings per hectare) of the existing plot? Compared to the former CAB building further along Willoughby Rd?
- Aesthetics of the low-rise building? Compared to the former garage butted right against the pavement - picture below.
- Deviation from the permitted development? Planning application here; http://www.planningservices.haringey.gov.uk/portal/servlets/Applica...
- Not a repro Victorian terraced house? Several of those on the Ladder, mostly lacking all the detailing that distinguishes 19th century houses, and looking cheap and mean as a result.
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