Harringay, Haringey - So Good they Spelt it Twice!
Bins - a dilemma
I emailed Veolia to complain that my neighbours were leaving a bin out on the street because they had too many in their front garden; Veolia replied saying they would come and remove two of them. Trouble is - I've said nothing to my neighbours, and I don't get on very well with them (long history). I have tried putting their bin inside the gate, but it was promptly put back outside.
I meant my letter as a general complaint about the bin chaos, but they have interpreted it as me acting on my neighbour's behalf...I've had to write and ask them not to collect the bins. Frankly my neighbours are unlikely to phone the council for themselves even if I suggest it (or especially if I suggest it!).
I feel like I've made a bad situation worse, though it does show they are willing to remove the excess bins if requested.
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Permalink Reply by Charlotte on
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I am sure Chelsea empty their bins more frequently and dont have the same issues of multiple occupancy as we do. Friends in Westminster have to take their rubbish to bins at either end of their road. But can you imagine that happening here? Front gardens would look even worse in front of certain houses and it is not very nice if the big bins are left in front of your house!
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Permalink Reply by pamish on
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Time for me to bang on again about the Brighton+Hove answer - big containers on the street that are emptied daily (?). They do pick up RC from the doorstep so far, but that could also be changed to street-based RC bins later. This to me is, as they say, a no-brainer. The only negative is the loss of a parking place every x yards along.
Rubbish and recycling doesnt arrive indoors by magic, it is brought in via shopping. So if people can bring it in (or by proxy if your shopping is done by home helps) it can be taken out and dumped a few feet along the road, along the same route. No bins in front yards - this must be preferable. I would love to know if LBH + Veolia ever looked at this alternative? NB It happens in many more countries that the Netherlands, I've seen it in Spain for example. Doorstep collection here is a luxury with some unknown history, we are just too used to it.
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Permalink Reply by Liz on
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This reminds me of an old post on dealing with wheelie bin overload which I did even before Veolia decided to turn us into wheelie central. It focuses on a street in Hackney that had 64 wheelies between 17 houses. The post is here and links to this case study about how working with residents directly resulted in a solution that suited everyone.
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Firstly, let it be known that I will not take a extra bins but I do recycle!
As I told my local councillor at our area forum last week. This crude bin system is only a means for our inept Haringey Council to reduce expenditure on refuse collection.
-it is having very detrimental results in Bruce Grove where I live, in that the front of houses look like refuse depots. An area that needs uplift is getting "downlift" as a direct result of a Council policy.
- there are ways to achieve better overall recyling AND improve front gardens esthetics. These include better and more innovative refuse collection systems, education in schools and to residents, getting shops to reduce packaging ( national Labour for whom I vioted failed on this), etc. IT is harder but in the long term the rsults would be better and long lasting.
- make it compulsory.
And that is what "regeneration" is about too. Bringing the people along with you, attitudes and systems need to improve, not just building new structures and places that deteriorate because the people and systems don't follow on.
Our local council does not care about this though. They don't really care about the people once they can tick the boxes.
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Permalink Reply by Laura on
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For two flats in one classic ladder house, one dry recycling bin (green lid) is sufficient for one week. In my opinion. If it is not - make sure you are squashing down plastic milk bottles, stamping on ring pull tins, folding down cardboard etc. Veolia will remove spare bins, however, they do ask if you have consulted the other people in the property before doing so.
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I am sure that would work for many/most. Maybe Haringey/Veolia would need to advertise that though and reassure households that if their needs change they could get the additional bin(s) back without any charges. In Denmark you get charged per bin, shops use less packaging, carrier bags aren't free, and you pay a deposit for plastic and glass bottles and cans but for that to work here there would have to be a complete change of mindsset as we would probably just see increased dumping.
Haringey did reply to my email about the absent collection of recycling "Thank you for your email received on 18th June 2012. I can confirm the crews are running behind their schedule and should be collecting today." They have now bin but blimey the road looks like a bomb has gone off with front paths strewn with wheelie bins, food bins and garden bags. I took a picture of my entrance and shall complain to enquiries.haringey@veolia.co.uk with a photo. Would be good if more people would do the same as I is a dead give away that there is nobody at home. Not great for security and general environment.
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If you could post your photo I'd be very grateful. I am collating evidence for a presentation and discussion at area forum on 5th July. All welcome to attend.
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Earlier today I saw an unmarked van collecting wheelie bins from Frobisher Road. Assume Veolia has outsourced collection of unwanted bins but was wondering whether anyone new anything about this?
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Permalink Reply by Sharon on
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Interesting, as I've just been in contact with Veolia to ask for more recycling boxes - we had one small one for a property containing 6 studios, most of them double occupancy. It meant that the box was overflowing by halfway through the week and people were just throwing things out rather than recycling as we have two huge wheelie bins for rubbish. They've agreed to give us a few more recycling boxes although they've said that they're now starting a new scheme where they're using wheelie bins for recycling, which will be colelcted every week, and only collecting general waste every 2 weeks. However, they couldn't say when it was starting in my area so have agreed to send more recycling boxes until then.
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Sharon, we have started the new system where we are on the Ladder. The result is that many houses are absolutely drowning in Wheelie bins as it is now double up. A bit like being in a rubbish depot. We are 1 week in to the bi-weekly collection of normal refuse and it is beginning to look like a complete disaster area in front of some houses with overflowing bins. It's dreadful. I used to have several boxes before for recycling. I like the new recycling wheelie bins but the bi-weekly collections of normal refuse is not working as some houses just do not recycle for whatever reason.
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Ugh, that doesn't sound helpful! I definitely think a wheelie bin for recycing is a great idea but I will be interested to see how it affects the rubbish collecting. I've not seen a problem yet so keeping everything crossed that people will be able to recycle more as is the aim (I know our wheelie bins are only ever about half full by the time it gets picked up!).
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