Harringay, Haringey - So Good they Spelt it Twice!
Arctic Monkeys - doing the maths
How much money does Haringey/Islington earn, net, per disturbed resident? Just wondered if the disturbance of the peace is worth it? Is my peace worth £5 or £5000 to go into our public services? Made up answers welcome as is the quoting of dodgy statistics or even anecdotal evidence(my personal favourite)
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Permalink Reply by John McMullan on
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I think you just got the people who were miffed at having the usual weekend nightlife sounds (sirens on Green Lanes) drowned out.
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Permalink Reply by Liz on
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As was mentioned on a different thread, this 'going out' may be a difficult thing to do if you are the parents of young children, housebound or elderly, or perhaps lacking in the funds to take yourself out of the house until after 10.30 at the weekend (not everyone in Harringay can afford meals/drinks out, theatre tickets or even a cinema show at peak times). Nor does everyone have the luxury to come and go as they please. I'm not sure the people defending these noise levels have truly taken into account that in this "vibrant city" live people who don't have the health, money or capacity to access its many "wonders".
I don't think suggesting people are 'whining' is a helpful way to approach what were legitimate complaints about noise levels. I have no objection to concerts in the park - in the past I have attended them myself but this show "was the loudest ever" and shouldn't really have been audible a mile away, with the windows shut in a back bedroom. I didn't hear the Stone Roses, I didn't make a complaint. As I struggled to get my two kids to sleep (with the windows shut), I'm afraid I did make a complaint about noise levels to the council. So tell me to move out beyond the M25 and I'm sure you'll be clear what my response will be...
As I actually like going to gigs I'm afraid listening to a band play from outside the event is hardly "free entertainment" when all you get, even if you stand in the garden (and I'm not clear why I'd want to sit in my front garden listening to loud music played by a band I can't see), is some screechy guitar playing, vibrating windows and some singing which doesn't appear to vary from song to song. If I'd wanted to listen to the Arctic Monkeys, I'd have bought a ticket. I take it you're all looking forward to Bruno Mars next month...
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Permalink Reply by Takaokagiejin on
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Kenwood was a joy for the community for decades. I spent many a happy teenage evening sitting just beyond the barriers getting a free classical concert and hoping the boys next to us would share their wine. It was ruined by the arrival of 1. fencing off of large areas to prevent anyone getting too close and hearing the music for free 2. a shift from unamplified classical to amplified pop which caused great disturbance to the neighbours. I am unashamed of not wanting promoters to put profit before the community in my back yard.
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The flip side of that is, of course, the number of posts on here that boil down to 'I like the band' so the neighbourhood's problems don't matter.
It's quite a persuasive one.
In the last heyday of gigs in Finsbury Park, I attended the Fleadh, fairly oblivious to anyone who didn't enjoy Neil Young blasting out Hurricane, and was a regular visitor to the Anti-Racism gigs (arguably better since they were open access). I was less keen (I lived even nearer the park then) on the red-faced English men in fezes throwing up around the place at Madstock etc. but at least it was usually only one day and night of being forced to listen to Our House.
But, if truth be known, as Summer slipped into Autumn and I saw from the top deck of the 29 on my morning commute the huge scars across Finsbury Park caused by my, and countless others, 'enjoyment', the treehugger bit of me recognised that the decision to give the gigs a rest for a bit was the right one even if I had to suffer the inconvenience of getting a tube home from Brixton, Shepherd's Bush or the bus from darkest Upper Street. (ever try getting home from a late night in the country? - we seriously don't know we're born if we think having to get the night bus from Camden is the worst thing that can happen to us).
These days, I prefer smaller, intimate gigs in basements and clubs, seeing newer bands, to large career-spanning or comeback nostalgia gigs in the park but I recognise that, for some, this is their idea of a fun night out. I lament frequently that, apart from Ally Pally, there is a distinct lack of smaller indoor venues in Haringey along the lines of Electric Ballroom or The Union Chapel to see less 'stadium like' bands
And I can see that for Haringey it should be a money spinner (bad luck Islington and Hackney - still you get a "free gig" eh?) - but they must be controlled to protect the park and those people who can't 'escape' and the only way this will be done is if people complain in sufficient numbers to make a difference. Not whining, not self-centred, not negative, not nimbyism - it's called exercising their right to be heard, preferably above the noise of people looking good on the dancefloor (yes it is the only song I know and only the chorus), preferably without being told to move to the suburbs, or that 'its London so lump it' or that they are 'spoiling everyone's fun' - I've noted that the majority of rude/flippant/mickey-taking comments have come from those defending the concerts and often directed in a personal fashion to those complaining (present company excepted, Tris) which is hardly likely to mollify those who are unhappy with the situation and bring them over to the side of the pro-concerts lobby. Even I, a gig-goer and fan of loud music, felt my hackles rise at the tone of those defending the FP's gigs.
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Permalink Reply by Old-Age-Emporium(OAE) on
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Tris, how dare you mention the Arctic Monkeys in FP in the same breath as the Kenwood concerts? As for the "nice vibe" the Monkeys brought to our area, that's not precisely how I would describe the warm-up vibrations that made me glad I was able to escape from Harringay for the main event.
South Wightman Road Resident and long-suffering Council Tax Payer
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Going out is one thing, getting home again through 40,000 concert goers is quite another. I elected to drive to my party on Saturday night because the thought competing with 40,000 for public transport / taxi was too painful. While my liver is clearly relieved to have a night off, the drive home up Holloway Road at midnight was a minefield of really really really drunk Arctic fans falling all over the road.
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You would have been quite within your rights to drive some of them over. 3 points max I would think.
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This is true, I am obliged to close my office and send the staff home at 6:00 on days when Arsenal are playing as we are next to the stadium. Not that I imagine the staff mind much about that.
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Permalink Reply by John D on
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As I said in another thread - " "I have to say that, living 2 miles away and with double glazing I wasn't too bothered "
What I didn't like was Jonathan's attitude - if you don't like what I like then move.
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Permalink Reply by Geoff on
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Haringey netted £130K from the Stone Roses concert last June, according to the minutes at http://www.minutes.haringey.gov.uk/Published/C00000118/M00006442/AI...
At approx £55 per ticket for Arctic Monkeys this May, a 90,000 audience (2 x 45,000), grosses the promoters just under £5M.
Add Haringey's and Islington's fees (unknown) and you have your maths.
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That's the disgusting part of this... we didn't charge enough.
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Comment....I was unaware that the concert was taking place until I came home and heard the booming of the music in the background. I was quite taken aback by the volume since I live just north of Philip Lane, 600 m from Tottenham High rd....in Bruce Grove!
That music was very,very,very loud and I can't imagine it was comfortable for people living downwind and very close to the venue!
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