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Harringay, Haringey - So Good they Spelt it Twice!

I got my leaflet today stating that from October you have to pay £75 a year for garden waste collection. Further bulk collections will cost £25 for 4 items then £10 per item. If the dustman break your wheelie bin or you don't have one you have to pay £30.

I rang Haringey who transferred me to veola. Veola say it's Haringey council who decided they need to save 20 million for social care.

I am disgusted. I have lived in this borough for 53 years and all this is going to do is make people dump rubbish in the streets in a borough that has the worst fly tipping in England.

As far as saving money for social care, already the council tax bill went up to cover this. Haringey council should stop wasting money on other things.

I for one will not pay £75 and I suggest Haringey think again..

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"I really hope those who are Labour Party members keep in mind who has agreed this idiotic scheme and come candidate selection time in a few weeks make their displeasure amply clear by picking other candidates who actually give a toss about people living in this borough"

Pipe dream I am sorry to say good neighbour. The only politician that I have seen that cared about anyone other than his own career and self enrichment is Nigel Farage. And even I couldn't say he would care on this sort of point. No point in discussing any further as pretty much everyone on this site besides me has let themselves be programmed by the media and thus only Labour can solve all problems; even though Labour have actually created most of them in the first place.

There is one other option to add to the running list which is to dump garden debris in the New River.

And reintroduce beavers. It's a win-win!

"The only politician that I have seen that cared about anyone other than his own career and self enrichment is Nigel Farage."

I'm not on here much, so of course there's every chance you might be HoL's resident troll (good work if so), but if not, I think you aren't looking very closely at that particular leech on our society.  Man of the people he ain't.




Yeah...make Britain Great again....frankly as French citizen, I am preparing my own personal Brexit!

I agree with most of the comments in this thread however there is another solution.  I remember the time when Haringey gave residents the opportunity to purchase composting bins at a reasonable price.  If they reintroduced this scheme, even at say £25 per bin, I'm sure a lot of people would take the offer up.  This would have the effect of cutting the number of bins on the street, reducing the amount of waste collected and be better for the environment.

On the subject of the charges for bulk waste collection this will lead to more fly-tipping and, as has been pointed out, Haringey has one of the worst records around.   

I spoke to Veolia about the need for an additional wheelie bin just for garden waste this morning, and they thankfully said that it is NOT obligatory. They are able to provide new hessian sacks  for those who do not have space for the additional wheelie bin, and those who simply do not want another one. You will just need to let them know when signing up.

Sadly the charging structure remains the same, so it is clearly a stealth tax, and a disturbingly crude one at that.  It also seems very likely that it will lead to more fly-tipping, unkempt gardens, and paving over of gardens, all of which are detrimental to our environment.

While I don't agree with the blunt method being used in this case, I wish there was a much greater openness about the cost to society of waste.  The production and processing of it has been a hidden cost for far too long, and hence we have all become rather complacent.  Within most of our lifetimes this will surely have to change, but the mechanisms will need to be a lot more sophisticated than just whacking people who have a garden and can afford to pay a disproportionate amount extra in what is likely to be a futile bid to prop up other under-funded services.

That's interesting, Joe. Well done for calling them. You certainly seem to have got a different message to the one the Council are giving out. The ability to carry on using hessian sacks would do it for me.

I'd like to see if we can turn the reassurance you were given over the phone into a service guarantee. Did you speak with anyone in particular?

I didn't take a name.  My call to the number on the leaflet was answered by a woman who was completely familiar with the subject.  I guess they need to provide new branded sacks to help the collectors easily identify fee payers.  Seems odd that they didn't put the option on the leaflet - maybe they have had a swift change in policy since printing due to large numbers of complaints.

She said that at this stage they were simply taking names and numbers for those interested in the scheme, and would be back in touch once they were setting it up, so I left my details. 

You have typicaly fallen into the trap set by asking about this. The fact that 'at this stage they are noting those who express an interest' shows how they move and they know that complacency will force people into this.

Overall the politicians are weak. There is no move at a national level to force reduction in the production of packaging. There is no move to share the cost of social care across richer and poorer by taking it out of the local council/borough remit.

I am pessimistic that the situation all round is going to get much worse before 'something breaks'. I see no policies with long vision that are really seeking to grapple with the issues.

My uncomposted green waste will go in the single general waste bin that I have. I do not own a car nor do I want an additional bin of any size in my tiny front garden. Some additional waste will go into street bins when necessary in such a way that it cannot be detected.

I do not fly tip, occasionally clean the street in front if my house and generally help planting in the street from time to time. But the way in which Haringey council does things has made me fed up and disgusted. I have had it!

Hugh, the leaflet did mention 'other options' could be available but didn't say what (we've had to call in, email in to find out) and I do wonder (as with the bins) they will only grant this 'concession'  to small properties without space for a bin. I have never had bins, thank God, and don't want to start now.

I have wasted most of the morning drafting a furious email to my local ward councillors and now have to run out the door so no time to call Veolia. So may I thank you for calling them and getting the sacks information, that makes me a bit happier and probably renders most of my draft email redundent. That is my morning gone...

Anyway... while drafting my email  I noticed this on the council's documents (https://www.minutes.haringey.gov.uk/documents/s94509/Cabinet%20Memb...) it states:

"Bins will be 240 litre as standard but in special circumstances, eg. a front garden is too small to accommodate a standard size bin, the other options listed above may be possible, subject to a site visit"

I also noted they said smaller options would be £55 a year. Hmmm...

I would be interested to know if this sacks option will still require a site visit? If the council are going to waste money employing someone to go from house to house on seperate visits for every applicant to find that myself and all my neighbours have less than one meter between the hedge and the bay window, I will really be furious.

And extra furious if I have to spend more time redrafting my email to complain about that.

On another note I wondered if:

Veolia staff will be instructed not to bash our paid for bins against the truck to prevent breakages?

If the paid for bins are stolen will this then become a police matter? Will I need a crime reference number to prove to Veolia that the need for a new bin is not my fault? Should I smart water my bins?

Lou - There's a quote from the Veolia FAQs on bins damaged by them in my latest post below.



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