Harringay, Haringey - So Good they Spelt it Twice!
Haringey Elections Results
Results as they come are available at Haringey Votes.
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Permalink Reply by Nick G-T on
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Funny how quiet it is on the Labour front. 3 Labour councillors have been voted in and none of them have bothered to post on here.
Perhaps they're still busy receiving orders from their masters. Or maybe they have no one to thank on HoL...
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Permalink Reply by Alan Stanton on
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Not quiet in St Ann's. According to the Tottenham and Wood Green Journal Ali Gul Ozbek and Peter Morton have broken their silence on St Ann's Selection Meeting vote-rigging and rule-breaking.
"People are entitled to their views", said Mr Morton.
“I don’t deserve whatever they say on Harringay Online," said Mr Ozbek. "I am there to help my residents, to be a bridge between the residents and the council; I’m there to help them. I am not there to listen to dirt".
I've added a comment to point out the difference between "dirt", "views" and evidenced facts.
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Yes Sindhi Chandwani, I know we had 3 votes. Just trying to get across to Lydia that they're fishing from so small a pool that maybe they should field 1 official Tory to gain the same result. After all Labour has a monopoly of Tory candidates, and presumably of Tory voters. Official Cons are wasting their time and breath.
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Permalink Reply by Seema Chandwani on
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LOOOOOOOL @ Sindhi... I am impressed. In fact, I am very impressed OAP.
I would blush, but I may awake the dead for harrassing you with innuendos...!
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But, particularly with local elections, some will have voted for the individuals rather than parties so one voter may have voted for three different parties so consolidating into one could have made some difference.
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I assume James Ryan was at the count. Out of interest, did he spend the whole day out and about in Harringay ward?
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Permalink Reply by Christopher Fowler on
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Thank you for posting this link. It is very helpful. Another fine piece of service for the local community from the webmasters at Harringay Online. Bravo!
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First post and just wanted to share some thoughts on the Crouch End ward result. I was disappointed at the result in the Crouch End Ward but in the end not that surprised.
Two of the existing Liberal Democrats councillors (David Winskill and Paul Strang) stood down and the other Lyn Weber was standing as an Independent although when elected last time round she was Liberal Democrat (not sure what the story was there).
The Labour party seem to have targeted this ward and in fairness to them have been very active over the last few months (on the doorstep and online) although they have been very quiet over the 8 years I've been living here. This approach seemed to be in complete contrast to the incumbent Liberal Democrats who seemed tired, lethargic and resigned to losing months ago.
When you look at the results for the ward certain things stand out:
1. The 647 votes that went to the independent candidate Lyn Weber seem to have split the Liberal Democrat vote and allowed Labour to take two out of three council seats. I wonder if she had stood as a Liberal Democrat whether she would have polled more votes.
2. In a ward which on the face of it would seem to be prime Conservative territory do they perform so badly; even less than the Green party
3. It is well known that Haringey is one of the worst run borough's in the country and yet people decide to elect more Labour candidates; baffling that one.
Finally just wanted to say a big thank you to David Winskill (former Lib Dem councillor) for his sterling work and "can do" attitude in the ward over the past 12 years; you will be missed David.
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Permalink Reply by Chris Setz on
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Welcome first time poster and fellow Crouch Ender!
>> In a ward which on the face of it would seem to be prime Conservative territory
Maybe in the last millenium, but no longer - it was Labour for years (Hornsey MP was Barbara Roche, Labour, from 1992-2005), then Lib Dem since, but few remember any Tories, even in Highgate. In distant Stroud Green, arguably a more 'Lib Dem' place, all three Lib Dems were replaced by Labour.
>>It is well known that Haringey is one of the worst run borough's in the country
This is a lie, plain and simple, hammered home by the Lib Dems for years. Haringey has a lot of poverty, but it appears in various positions in the various league tables. Maybe a more important point is that, notwithstanding your colourful views, we know for sure that most people want Labour in power, and they want Labour to have more power than previously. That needs respecting. Maybe people realised that the constant promotion of the lie that Labour-run Haringey were 'failing' was what confirmed people's realisation that you can't trust the Lib Dems.
Whenever you attempt to consider a view that encompasses local people, please accept that those people who live here are Labour supporters, and have been Labour supporters all their lives, through thick and thin, over fifty years now - they are the majority.
>>"can do" attitude in the ward
Completely agree that David Winskill has more than earned the respect he is held in throughout the ward, not just due to his high integrity and unremittingly hard work on behalf of all of us, but also because he's a really nice guy who's care is genuine.
Have to ask though, what did the Lib Dems achieve in Crouch End over the last decade? Ought Harringay to have them too? They spent a lot of time and money rubbishing the Council, but when it came to alternatives to Labour's ideas for us, they had none I can find, except to impose budget cuts even more draconian than the Tories. The most important development by far in my eyes is the re-opening of the huge campus that is Hornsey Town Hall, bang in the middle of our town - a place David once worked at, cares a lot about and has had his turn at being a Director of the org set up by the council to represent the local view. Did the Lib Dems make any difference at all to the outcome? No. Are they in favour of what is happening? Nobody knows. Is there a more important development in Crouch End in living memory? No.
Now that Crouch End have returned two Labour councillors, there is an even bigger gulf between the Lib Dems and Labour in our ward.
A big difference in theory is that Labour can actually get things done in the ward, whereas all the Lib Dems seemed to be able to do was use the reporting system to alert Council Officers to problems residents can just as easily report themselves.
What they couldn't seem to do was influence the Council to make any substantive improvements that were 'Lib Dem' in nature - what would 'Lib Dem' in nature be, exactly?
What improvements have been brought to Crouch End by the Lib Dems? I got a lot of leaflets put through the door claiming 'victory' every time the council did something they agreed with. 20mph speed limit? A win for Lib dems after years of hard campaigning! (Lie) Pinkham Way defeated - it's those cheeky Lib Dems again! (Lie) Whittington Hospital saved? Thank goodness for plucky little ConDemmers! (Lie).
The sad result of these past Lib Dem years of negative campaigning and no ideas at all that advanced is that people's dislike of the council was fanned and Crouch Enders became apathetic, not bothering to even express a view, except to believe that the council was rubbish - makes it even more amazing that so many Labour Councillors got elected here. How can Haringey Council justify spending even a penny on the rich West when the East (across the 'Berlin Wall' of a railway line between us) is in such obvious need? Is is right to spend the minimum here because of that?
The question for me is, can Crouch Enders be bothered now there's a real chance for change or will they remain indifferent whatever the Council proposes? My advice to the new Councillors is to square up to the council-bashing and help people realise that they can't have it both ways - either put up or shut up.
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Hi TBD
I find this argument a bit odd (not yours per se, but in general). Yes 60% did not vote, but those 60% had the opportunity to vote and by not voting they gave the mandate to the 40% who did vote to vote on their behalf.
By saying any win (political elections, union strikes etc) can be measured by those who did not vote is stretching the truth. If they were not allowed to vote, I'd agree with you.
There has been apathy in politics in the UK for decades not just unique to Harringay or this election. I think compulsory voting is a must.
As for the Harringay Vote: My geeky observations are below:
- The turnout for this year was 40.5% | 2010 was 59.5% | 2006 was 36.6%
- 2010 was a general election and this brings out more people as its in the news more, and they have things like leader TV debates etc.
- In 2006 Karen got in with 1308 votes. Gina 1254 | LD Carol 1159
- In 2010 Karen got in with 2244, Gina 2159 and David 1987
- In 2014 Gina 1683, Emine 1372 and James 1395.
- The proportion of votes is similar thorough the years just raises in quantity due to turnout. Therefore the mandate given to David Karen and Gina previously is the same if for Gina, Emine and James
What this suggests is a number of things
- The additional 4% of voters who came out this year & not 2006 were Labour voters
- Possibly more Lib Dems stayed at home?
- Maybe more people switched to Labour from Lib Dems?
It was not the Greens as their vote in Harringay yesterday was consistent with votes in 2010 and 2006.
What costed the Lib Dems their party has been their decision of going from a left alternative to a coalition with a very right wing Tory Govt.
Locally, what I think let the Haringey Lib Dems down was one of the worst election campaigns I think I have ever seen!!! Having read their leaflets etc, it contained little or no policies, no real understanding on what they would do if they took over the council. What had they achieved? I actually could not believe it.
I spent some time in Brent and actually saw the same leaflets, using the same tactic. They are down to 1 Lib Dem in the whole borough, they had control up until 2010.
Karen and David are really nice people, I spent the morning with Karen at a polling station and hope to go out with her on a photography shoot soon.
But the Harringay voting population ALL had a choice and they made that choice yesterday.
I hope you are well TBD and we see you on Twitter soon, go on you know ya wanna
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Hi Seema
I agree with your point that voting should be compulsory. The one major issue is that their is an assumption that their is somebody/ or a party that you would consider giving your vote too. You could of course you put in a category of "None of the Above" (although this may well end up being the biggest party!).
I also think that more people would vote if they could do so online rather than just in person or via postal vote. This is something that all politicians should consider introducing.
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