Harringay, Haringey - So Good they Spelt it Twice!
More Traffic Headed for Wightman - 2 days to Act
Last October I raised the issue that possible street closures in surrounding areas would displace traffic our way.
One of the areas was Crouch End.
A consultation for those living/working in the area is in progress and one of the options being consulted on is the closure to through traffic (except for buses, emergency vehicles and cyclists) of one or more major roads, such as The Broadway.
A traffic survey for the Crouch End project suggests such a change might mean 2000 more vehicles a day in both directions for Wightman.
Harringay residents can make their views known via the questionnaire.
To complete the questionnaire go to:
https://www.haringey.gov.uk/parking-roads-and-travel/roads-and-stre...
After the initial section you can opt to only complete the one on traffic. The deadline is 2 February.
Postscript navigation note: (For oversized lorry stuck on Warham, see P14, here.)
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Permalink Reply by JoeW on
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I don't think there are more recent figures for Wightman Road, but it looks like Wightman in 2016 carried more traffic than Tottenham Lane in 2019?
This perhaps explains why closing the Broadway is being proposed, and not filtering Wightman - Wightman is more strategically important to the borough's road network
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Permalink Reply by AndrewAW1 on
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If you look at the various plans for redevelopments in Haringey it is clear that Wightman Rd is viewed as a major conduit.
This was from one of the planning documents for instance:
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Agreed Andrew and JoeW, and that's why it's a topic which needs a political commitment for all of Haringey rather than this being about stopping the CE initiative.
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That's an interesting comparison.
Tottenham Lane is obviously an A road with a much more mixed occupation than the mainly residential Wightman so you'd expect the traffic to be quite a bit higher compared to Wightman which isn't the case.
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Permalink Reply by Adrian Hackney on
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I'm comparing Tottenham Lane with Tottenham Lane. Traffic on Tottenham Lane has reduced since 2016. Hurray.
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Permalink Reply by John McMullan on
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Lower down the ladder is sheltered by the closure of the gardens so you see less traffic. In an attempt to find out whether traffic on Wightman was predominantly North/South or East west we did a survey in 2010, the results of which are here. My conclusion was: "From a total of nearly 2000 vehicles surveyed, less that 300 were heading, with a reasonable degree of certainty, north <=> south."
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Permalink Reply by JulieB on
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This is from GLATS, they define through traffic as traffic that doesn't begin or end in the study area:
Origins and destinations of vehicle movements
To further understand the flow of traffic through and to/from the area, a vehicle origin-destination survey based on a cordon approximating the study area was
undertaken for a 16-hour period on Tuesday 22 March 2016. Whilst this survey would not capture vehicle trips that are entirely within the study area, the remainder of trips are made up of:- Through trips: Trips that pass through the cordon, without stopping—these make up about 53% of all trips
- Local trips: Trips that start or end in the study area (note that trips that both start and end in the study area, without passing any of the survey nodes, are
not captured by this survey)—these make up the remaining 47% of trips (including approximately 7% that are to / from the Arena Retail Park)
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It was originally discussed when Wightman was an eye watering 30mph as a means to calm traffic as well as to provide shopping access for people. The route was Morrisons to Morrisons so I thought they might be interested too.
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Thought provoking or puke inducing? He even has a pop at expanded pedestrian areas in one sentence and quotes bus speeds of four miles per hour in the next!
As the introduction of the congestion charge showed, you reduce traffic by just a small amount and you can reduce congestion drastically. A similar effect happens in computer networks. All we need to do is levy the congestion charge against passengers, not private hire drivers.
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Just finished reading it - it makes a valid point about the number of delivery vehicles on our roads as well as the number of Ubers and the like. It is not the no smoking sign that marks them out but the TfL roundel which is, in effect, their visible licence. It is all very well to talk about fashionable terms like modal shift but when private car drivers are the minority (as in Crouch End they often seem to be) then restrictions to discourage commuting are bound to have little overall effect...
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During the trial I regularly walked along Park Road back from the swimming pool at in the evening peak. Nearly all of the cars in the long lines of very slow moving traffic going north contained single occupants (I was counting them with my bored 9 yr old) whereas I was expecting more vans and people carting kids about as that's what Crouch End Facebook had been saying was the unavoidable "legitimate" traffic that couldn't be done any other way. Incidentally most of the car commuters we saw in these lines were male which also didn't accord with the CE FB trope that the drivers include large nos of care workers/ district nurses (who are predominantly female).
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