Harringay, Haringey - So Good they Spelt it Twice!
London Transport - Bus Service Review Programme
The following from Joanne McCartney, Assembly Member for Enfield and Haringey, Greater London Authority :
Transport for London are beginning their 2010/11 bus service review programme, and I want to alert your readers to this important opportunity to tell Boris Johnson, what we want to get out of our bus services and about where we think the service is not up to scratch.
This consultation centres primarily on those bus routes, which are due to have their operator’s contract renewed over the next year or so. Bus companies will be able to bid for these contracts as they come up for renewal so this is an ideal time to suggest any changes or improvements which you think could improve services. In Enfield Borough, routes 692, 699, N29, 141 & 329 are up for renewal. In Haringey Borough, routes 210, 271, N271, 29, N29, 141, 329, 41, N41, 121, 153, 299, W4 & W5 are up for renewal.
If you think there aren’t enough buses, or find the existing buses unreliable, on any of these routes, find any unreliable or have suggestions for how they could be extended or altered to provide better transport links for your local community – for example to shops, leisure centres, or transport interchanges, now is your chance to let the Mayor know!
If you have any comments to make, please let me know by 27 March and I will include them in my representations to TfL. You can write to me at City Hall, Queen’s Walk. London, SE1 2AA or email joanne.mccartney@london.gov.uk
Yours sincerely
Joanne McCartney
Assembly Member for Enfield and Haringey
Greater London Authority
City Hall
The Queen's Walk
London SE1 2AA
Direct Line: 020 7983 4402
Fax: 020 7983 5679
Email: joanne.mccartney@london.gov.uk
Web: www.london.gov.uk
Transport for London are beginning their 2010/11 bus service review programme, and I want to alert your readers to this important opportunity to tell Boris Johnson, what we want to get out of our bus services and about where we think the service is not up to scratch.
This consultation centres primarily on those bus routes, which are due to have their operator’s contract renewed over the next year or so. Bus companies will be able to bid for these contracts as they come up for renewal so this is an ideal time to suggest any changes or improvements which you think could improve services. In Enfield Borough, routes 692, 699, N29, 141 & 329 are up for renewal. In Haringey Borough, routes 210, 271, N271, 29, N29, 141, 329, 41, N41, 121, 153, 299, W4 & W5 are up for renewal.
If you think there aren’t enough buses, or find the existing buses unreliable, on any of these routes, find any unreliable or have suggestions for how they could be extended or altered to provide better transport links for your local community – for example to shops, leisure centres, or transport interchanges, now is your chance to let the Mayor know!
If you have any comments to make, please let me know by 27 March and I will include them in my representations to TfL. You can write to me at City Hall, Queen’s Walk. London, SE1 2AA or email joanne.mccartney@london.gov.uk
Yours sincerely
Joanne McCartney
Assembly Member for Enfield and Haringey
Greater London Authority
City Hall
The Queen's Walk
London SE1 2AA
Direct Line: 020 7983 4402
Fax: 020 7983 5679
Email: joanne.mccartney@london.gov.uk
Web: www.london.gov.uk
Tags for Forum Posts: buses, consultation, public transport, tfl
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Permalink Reply by Hugh on
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Guy, are you aware of the special Harringay traffic meeting next Monday?
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Permalink Reply by Guy Bentham on
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I am now. Thank you.
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Blimey
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Permalink Reply by RuthE on
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OAE you've inspired me, I'm going to use the W5 for myself and see where I end up.
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Permalink Reply by Martha on
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Ruth - we use it all the time, it's a good combination of bus and a gentle exercise. Catch it from over the railway on the corner near the Stroud Green library. You may need to stick your hand out, but there are usually people getting off there too. Make sure you get the right one otherwise you will end up at Sainsbury's - they go round in a loop.
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Permalink Reply by StephenBln on
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This discussion seems to have gone cold. That's a shame really, because it is quite important.
Does this mean that everyone is 100% happy with the bus service provided in Harringay at the moment..?
that is, apart from..
John D who doesn't like announcements on the buses being repeated after every bus stop - I would've thought that has to do with the fact that new passengers join the bus at every stop, so therefore the announcements need to be repeated.
RuthE wants to try out the W5 - Have you tried it out yet?
Tom who finds the W5 painfully slow
StephenBln suggested a new service for Wightman Road and found a couple of supporters, (Guy Bentham & Eddie) as well as a couple of members against..
James Walsh Blimey
Another thought: Would anyone be interested in putting forward the idea that Route 67 be re-routed between Chesnut's Rec and Green Lanes via St Ann's Road rather than via Black Boy Lane and West Green Road?
This would provide a service from the centre of Harringay to Stamford Hill and Stoke Newington. The section withdrawn is covered by other services 41,230,341..
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Permalink Reply by John D on
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" John D who doesn't like announcements on the buses being repeated after every bus stop - I would've thought that has to do with the fact that new passengers join the bus at every stop, so therefore the announcements need to be repeated. "
True but how many passengers get on the wrong bus ? What purpose do the announcements serve ? Blind people I suppose.
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Stephen, despite a couple of well-argued rejections of your suggested bus route for Wightman Rd etc, I still think it makes good sense. I'm sure quite a few commuters would find it useful for a short-hop to/from the stations - or to Wood Green/Finsbury Park stn areas. I would be even more sure that many 60+ residents of Wightman and other Ladder roads would be glad to use their 'Freedom Pass' in the off-peak periods to take a bus from near their homes to Wood Green/Stroud Green/ Finsbury Park - or just to visit the park itself or connect with the W5 on Endymion.
Most of my 60+ neighbours would not be on HOL nor are they likely to attend the Cyprus Kitchen special Area Assembly on traffic and they're even less likely to contact either Boris or Joanne McCartney in the next week or so - or ever. It might be a good idea to ask their opinion though.
I agree with Hugh and Paul about WR's peculiar pavement parking problem. It's in my face every time I look out the window or leave my front gate. I sometimes wonder whether we shouldn't petition to have all parking banned from Wightman Road but to compensate WR parkers by having the upper 30 metres of alternate rung roads (Burgoyne, Duckett, Pemberton ...etc) reserved for their use. That should give those traffic wardens something to do with their spare time!
An ARRIVA bus slimmer and shorter than the W5 (I believe such things exist already) would not create insurmountable problems on Wightman Road - certainly nothing to compare with ACCORD's rubbish/recycling trucks or the larger JEWSON monster or those skip lorries. W5 buses, which are fairly broad of beam, manage to meet and pass one another three or four times an hour on roads such as Weston Park, Park Road, Wolseley, Shepherd's Hill, Stanhope and Hornsey Lane without any great hold-ups or near misses. While the carriageway may be slightly wider in some cases, certainly the sharp corners top and bottom of Uplands & Denton, or the hairily narrow bends on Wolseley & Stanhope, are worse than anything Wightman can throw at a bus driver.
I'm not suggesting a totally open 'request route' but, perhaps, five or six stops from Harringay to Hornsey Station approaches (say, Mattison, Hewitt, Fairlands Park). Of course (following Paul's reminder) this bus route should not prejudice our demand for a 20mph limit and light-controlled crossing, but rather reinforce it - despite the AA etc requiring bus routes to be 30mph.
As for frequency: 15 min intervals at peak hours, 20/30 min intervals off-peak.
It may conflict with some of our other ideas on WR traffic, but if it's a service that would prove useful maybe we should be canvassing and petitioning for it.
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Just for comparison, Albion Road in Stoke Newington is, at its Newington Green end, I think no wider than Wightman Road, and has both a bendybus and a double decker using it. Mildmay Park, also at Newington Green, has a 20 mph speed limit and speed bumps, and two double decker bus services routed along it. Not to say that these are ideal arrangements, just that they do exist, and therefore could exist elsewhere. I don't think even the Wightman Road bus enthusiasts imagine anything more than a W5 type vehicle.
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I havent tried out the W5 yet but will do. I'd like a bus such as the 29 to re-route to Alley Pally.
I like the idea of 67 being re-routed too.
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