Harringay, Haringey - So Good they Spelt it Twice!
New opening on Green Lanes - Class International
Does anyone know what's opening on Green Lanes where the old Class International food shop used to be?
Although work has been going on for some months, it seems to be ramping up now although it still isn't clear what the new business will be...
If anyone has any news, please share!
Thanks
Tags for Forum Posts: class international, fairline, planning enforcement
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Permalink Reply by 3ncap90nicrsp on
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I note the editing or re-writing some of the more inflammatory statements in your comments, Hugh. I think the council officer would appreciate that. Though the assertion that she has been incompetent remains. Planning applications are often refused, with the applicant amending or changing their plans and re-applying. It cant be expected that the council make some assumption that the applicant is simply trying to deceive them in order to do what they had originally intended. If this does turn out to be the case,then enforcement is required. But this isn't and shouldn't be preemptive.
I think there is a lot of evidence in this site and in the objections to the various planning applications that the nature of the business is of concern. It's at the core of many of the objections and a regular theme in discussions here about Turkish restaurants or kebabs shops. It's just not true to say otherwise.
As for the responsible sharing of information, I agree. Unfortunately, in this case what has been shared does not pass the test of being called information. As I suggested to Michael, what has been presented is gossip, hearsay, and assumption. Whether this is ultimately is to be justified is not the point.
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Permalink Reply by Hugh on
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The information that has been shared, Cem is all a matter of public record and is not up for dispute. No Fake News here, mate. The only fact that's been shared that isn't in the public record is the fact of the development of 13-15 as single unit. Whilst that's been witnessed and no doubt photographed by multiple people, if you think that it's not correct, please do share with us.
Goodness knows why you're suffering under the misapprehension that I'm not completely comfortable with talking 'truth to power'. There's nothing I've said that I'm not comfortable with the officer, the head of department or the Council Leader seeing or hearing directly form me. The decision was a mistake. It was made contrary to the evidence and against the guidance laid down in law. I make no bones about it. Only those responsible in the Council will know what drove that decision.
The only basis of any objections to this planning application as I understand it is the law and nothing else.
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I do wonder what inspired you to edit your post then? Truth to power, right on.
The evidence was the application. As I explained, it is not required that the council checks every element of the application. Each application asked for a single unit to have change of use. The decision clearly states that this is what has been granted. To not grant the change would be contrary to the law. If the operator wishes to break the terms of the decision, some enforcement is required. That you seem to expect all applications to be vetted in accordance with local knowledge is odd and unlikely to ever come to pass.
The objections that can be considered by the council do not include those referring to the nature of the business. That doesn't mean they don't exist. There were no objections (of a legal basis or otherwise) to this planning application because no consultation was require. In previous applications, many mentioned the lack of need for another Turkish restaurant. The search of this site shows your own views on more Turkish restaurants. No mention of the law, just the idea that you think there are already enough.
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The edit changed a word inserted by autocorrect and a few style edits. My views on the high street are not as simplistic as you make out, Cem. You'll find it very easy to see that what I ask for is diversity. What about you, Cem? You joined the site to comment on this post. What's your interest?
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I did join the site to comment on this discussion. The type of comments and language being used were brought to my attention and I thought some balance might be useful. I have suffered from the misinformed speculation of residents. It does real damage to businesses and the individuals running them.
Finally, are you really contending that the edits or re-writing of your posts in this discussion amounted to the replacement of an autocorrect error? We both know that isn't the case. It's disappointing to have to point that out.
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Permalink Reply by EMC2 on
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Enlighten us please Cem, what was written and now changed, that's disappointing you so much?
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The content and extent of the changes tell their own story. If you read what I wrote, it's the fact that I have to point out such an obvious lie that is disappointing. Not an 'alternative fact', not someone 'mis-speaking'. A lie.
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Permalink Reply by kotkas on
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I think the council will be doing the restauranteur a favour if they rejected the application and forced them to pastures anew. I just can't for the life of me imagine how another Turkish restaurant can be viable, given how much there is already on offer.
Firstly there are many already established ones - with a brand and reputation that is likely to continue to attract clients.
Then there's the fact that there are simply too many of them. Say what you will about people from all over London travelling to eat here, but adding another restaurant to existing 10 I can count on Green Lanes is lunacy. That assumes аt a minimum a 10% increase in demand for Turkish food at Green Lanes that won't be absorbed by the existing players. And that's on average.
Or that 10% of people get turned away at the door, and sent on their merry way back. Well that's not the case, nor will it be anytime soon.
No mainstream industry today is experiencing double digit growth, if at all. So to assume some wild expansion in the market of Turkish dining in a saturated, and pretty price competitive environment (i.e. prices near their floor, so difficult to undercut competition) such as Green Lanes is nuts.
My point is that it seems very clear that demand and supply are just about managing to remain in equilibrium, and very soon the high street will be graced by nice large BOGOF signs, excess staff beckoning you in, and certainly at some point - closures.
The sad thing is that it is the individuals who run these places, or decide to enter the market that will suffer most, not the residents of Harringay who are thirsting for more choice. A lot of these restaurants are family run, and it is one of a few ways of making a decent living.
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Permalink Reply by Alexander on
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Totally agree. If this place offered something different it would be a welcomed alternative... I simply can't see how such a large premises will be able to turn a profit when there are already much bigger established players with slicker restaurants in place.
I'm personally opposed to any restaurant on this premises, however if it is going to be, at least be something original! -
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Goodness knows why you're suffering under the misapprehension that I'm not completely comfortable with talking 'truth to power'. There's nothing I've said that I'm not comfortable with...
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Thanks for finally clarifying your concern, Cem. The change I assumed you'd been talking about was 'smellier' to 'similar'. The other changes are ones of wording and not substance and were made to clarify the situation. They don't, to the non-lawyer's mind, change the substance of what I said at all.
Having got through this, do you now feel comfortable confirming whether you have any particular interest in this case.
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Permalink Reply by Paul Harding on
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He's side stepping the real issue here too.
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