Harringay, Haringey - So Good they Spelt it Twice!
Oxford Street to be pedestrianised by 2020 ... so Wightman Rd ...
... can surely be closed to through traffic in the future, as it currently is during the bridge works. If the planners can deal with the re-routing of all those buses and taxi journeys away from Oxford Street for the pedestrianisation plans, it must be possible to do this for Wightman Road as well.
Living Wightman would do well to have a chat with the new Mayor's office.
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Permalink Reply by Nick on
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The Gardens were closed to through traffic with one set of bollards and one gate. How do you propose to apply this solution to the ladder?
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Permalink Reply by Peter Chalk on
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Could have one at the bridge end and a second at Hampden.
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Permalink Reply by matthew cuthbert on
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Burghley Rd N8 0QG, provides clues to what the council is prepared to do, (as a case study,) there are many more cases where the council have provided various solutions, some very accommodating indeed.
Burghley Rd seems very similar to our current situation, as it stands with the bridge closure.
http://www.harringayonline.com/forum/topics/answer-for-wightman-roa...
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The Garden's scenario, could be done in peak periods, to deter drivers choosing the area as a conduit to the north circular and journeys east west.
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Burghley Rd N8 0QG (Rd directly north of Harringay Passage,) not far.
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Permalink Reply by Natasha * on
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As a local resident, I find the campaign to close Wightman road very concerning. The congestion on Green Lanes currently is unbearable, and slow moving traffic is backed up across the area. Surely those who moved to Wightman road (a B road) have a reasonable expectation of through traffic? It seems rather unfair to penalise the area as a whole because of a group of residents who don't want traffic on their street.
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It is also about the large amount of commuter traffic on Ladder roads, especially next to the 2 primary schools. Altogether about 3000 adults and 1000 children will benefit. There are measures that can help Green Lanes such red routing or moving parking spaces to side roads.
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A far great number will lose out across the borough because of slow moving traffic next do high pedestrian footfall areas (including green lanes and wood green high street). It is also adversely effect public transport on green lanes and the area as a whole. No amount of red routing or moving parking would be able to make green lanes cope with the increased traffic. Also what about the residents in other areas which will have increased traffic? It sounds like rather NIMBY'ism.
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Quite. The poor residents and workers on Turnpike Lane for one, who must have it worse than GL, given it's the only route across now.
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Permalink Reply by John McMullan on
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What about the residents in other areas (Crouch End for one) that have closed off their residential roads to through traffic. The bleating on the Crouch End facebook group truly was astonishing nimbyism.
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Natasha - I'm with you on this one. I have great sympathy for Wightman/ladder residents who obviously suffer from pollution and traffic noise (though Antoinette, for one, on here seems to be almost a lone voice in saying that she will welcome the Wightman reopening even as a ladder resident), but failure to acknowledge the knock-on effect of closure on the rest of the area seems self-centred at best.
Human nature is that everyone thinks the problem is always "other people". I have asked on several threads a) for a definition of the "local traffic" that vocal closure supporters want to restrict access to, b) how people define the majority of Wightman traffic as "through" traffic and not "local" (since even Turnpike Lane to Endymion could be classed as a "through" journey) and c) if the same people can swear that they have never, ever, used a residential road in London as a short-cut - or "rat-run" as locals would no doubt call it.
Nobody has defined "local" and, unsurprisingly, nobody has sworn that they've never cut through somebody else's residential area - in London, it's impossible not to.
Of course instinct suggests that many Wightman journeys are by people who don't live in Harringay, but nobody actually knows because there hasn't been any research into journey start and end points. I count myself as a “local” because I live off Green Lanes, use local shops and work mostly at home. As a non-driver I sometimes take a cab from the cab office by the GL/St Ann's junction to Kentish Town or Gospel Oak, which uses Allison, Wightman and Endymion; by some definitions, this is a “through” journey, even though it starts barely 50 metres from the foot of a ladder road. So how wide an area would a restriction to “local” traffic cover?
As you say, expedient closure of Wightman creates major problems in Green Lanes, which both you and I are suffering from. Any solution has to consider the whole Harringay/Turnpike Lane/Wood Green area, not just one bit in isolation.
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I completely disagree. I was never bothered about the pollution on my ladder road. I don't actually spend more than a couple of minutes a day walking on my own road, I spend a considerably greater amount of time on Green Lanes inhaling fumes for a greatly increased period of time and at much higher volumes.
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