Harringay, Haringey - So Good they Spelt it Twice!
Harringay Traffic Study - Initial Findings Published
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Permalink Reply by matt on
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How many pages are we downloading Hugh? Would you mind putting up an image of the contents page. I assume this is the same data Michael has been discussing on here over the last couple of weeks or so ...
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Permalink Reply by Hugh on
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Some is the same. Some is new. It's a 7 MB document. Click on the image to view. Download if you want to.
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Ta. It's interesting to see how;
- car ownership is only 33% within the study area,
- that most journeys locally are on foot and
- to neighbouring boroughs or into town most journeys are by public transport.
- Most journeys by others into our area don't seem to involve a car.
- Overall most people aren't using a car and car use has been on a downward trend for some time. Elsewhere studies of youth show they have little intention of car ownership for many reasons, not just cost, esp if they live in cities so this downward trend will continue.
The most interesting bit for me and I'm not sure if I've got this correct, is that 87% of trips within or through the study area start or finish in the study area or the borough, so only 13% are going through the borough and study area and not stopping.
So in summary the above seems to show most people in the study area don't use cars for transport and of those car journeys that are made most involve leaving or arriving in the borough (ie. local traffic).
Add to this Michael's excellent data of local bus journey times along the busy section of GL showing little change in journey times before and after the Wightman Rd closure and it maybe that we are talking a lot about cars and journeys made in them when in actual fact very few of us use them to get about!! So, the minority car user impacts upon the majority non-car user significantly via noise & pollution but the trend is less use.
Close Wightman Rd? ... from the above it seems possible.
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Permalink Reply by Antoinette on
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Or an alternative view would be if all is looking so rosy for the downward trend in private car usage, why do we need to close Wightman Road.....
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Permalink Reply by John McMullan on
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That's an excellent question. Among the answers would be:
1. Life is short, we'll be waiting a long time for car usage to come down and in the meantime another generation of school children will grow up in Harringay suffering illegal levels of pollution.
2. All the other roads around us that perform a similar function to Wightman Rd and are not A roads have been closed off in some way. Why not Wightman too?
What would you say to reopening Wightman Rd but closing off the ladder rungs at Green Lanes or Wightman? It would certainly be great for bus journeys. They'd probably want Warham and Frobisher to remain as they are though so that would be sad.
There is basically no way to equally distribute traffic across the east/west residential streets of the ladder without closing Wightman. People claim to want "fairness" but it's impossible unless you do this.
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You also can't claim "fairness" if you consider it alright for the children who live on Endymion Road and Green Lanes and other roads like them, to suffer increased levels of pollution in order to alleviate the pollution on Wightman Road.
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Well, of course you can. Because *all* of the roads on the Ladder and Wightman have less pollution, compared to two roads which are worse off. I can't think of a better definition of a fairer pay-off. The numbers couldn't be more clear.
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Except you're not taking into account that moving traffic doesn't produce the same level of poluution as slow moving traffic... the volume of teaffic is not the only factor... overall pollution levels are reduced my keeping traffic moving.... not to bring to it to a crawl
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Permalink Reply by Pat on
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So, again you are happy for someone else to suffer so you are better off. That is a nice neighbourly attitude. With slow moving traffic on Green Lanes and Endymion, the pollution generated would also impact on the people living on the Ladder and Garden roads near the Green Lanes.
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Permalink Reply by Nick on
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I think that's very short sighted. There are far more affected roads than the two mentioned. How much foot traffic is there on Wightman compared to Green Lanes. How often did you see traffic at a standstill on Wightman?
Only a few of the ladder roads have what you might call unreasonable levels of traffic. The rest, despite the exaggeration, are pretty typical. Some have less traffic than the Gardens roads, which are closed off.
Salisbury road is far worse affected than anywhere on the Ladder yet I do not see anyone campaigning for a closure there.
Haringey are not going to keep Wightman closed to please a small group of cyclists.
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"Haringey are not going to keep Wightman closed to please a small group of cyclists." - I think you'll find that there are far more residents on Wightman Rd than there are cyclists agitating for that.
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Permalink Reply by Sapphireblue on
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Absolutely Antoinette. I'm with you all the way.
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