Harringay, Haringey - So Good they Spelt it Twice!
Would like some insight about anti-social behaviour
As I was walking past Tesco yesterday, past the youths that congregate around there, I was once again so disappointed to see drug deals being made openly on the street. I know that this is not a new problem, but I just don't understand why it is allowed to happen there. All the time.
I'm just wondering if any of you long-time residents of the area could enlighten me on the status of policing the area and why kids can just stand on the high street and deal so openly. Boggles my mind. Thanks!
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Permalink Reply by james walsh on
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I don't think that they should be dealing on street corners especialy when people like you get upset about it. I'm sorry i didn't say this earlier.
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A shelf-stacker with a bank loan for a BMW insured under his grandfather.
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If no-one reports this to the Police what do you expect them to do? If it were me (and gawd knows I'm going to get slated for saying so) I would challenge them directly. Tell them what you think of them. Make a scene. Embarrass them. When I saw some lads skinning up in the window of McDonald's at 5pm on a Saturday afternoon with kids everywhere, I gave them an earful. And then reported what had happened via the 101 line. The reason they think they can get away with it is because people walk past and turn a blind eye. I say make their lives difficult. It will only force them to be more subtle in their activity but I don't want my child to see this as normal.
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Yes, I totally agree. I've called 101 a number of times since moving to the area. Unfortunately at the time i saw the dealers there was a large-ish altercation a few stores away which people were videoing and there was a large crowd. I did not see any police along the high street anywhere. I guess I was so disappointed at the state of things that I wanted to get an idea of the policing scenario from all of you.
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In fact, if I actually saw a drug deal taking place I would call 999. The criteria for calling 999 as opposed to 101 is that a "crime is in progress" and if they remain standing there, there is a real possibility of catching them in the act. Disrupting their activity is the only way to make a difference.
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Could I also suggest you join your local neighbourhood watch, you can meet the local police at the meetings.
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Permalink Reply by matt on
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Maybe the reason that dealing has moved to the Passage (again) and Green Lanes is because of the concerted efforts made by the police at Ducketts Common over the last few months re drug dealing. It has always been around, just depends on when/where the police concentrate resources on the issue.
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It crossed my mind, but I felt that there must be some sort of understanding going on with the authorities and was just really taken aback by it. I do work with the police in Central London for my job and realise just how thin they are spread...but this sort of blatant law-breaking I would hope is on their radar. Kind of feels like everyone is looking the other way sometimes. I'm planning to attend the Harringay Safer Neighborhood meetings to become involved.
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In my experience street dealers are as likely to be selling £10 bags of smack and crack as they are selling weed. Slightly more difficult to defend when you consider the damage that crack/smack heads can do to communities. I think weed should be legalised but I don't want my son to be brought up in an environment where seeing drug dealing on the streets is the norm. It's intimidating and disturbing for ordinary people to be confronted with it.
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I agree. So you would agree that street dealing of crack and smack is not a waste of "precious police resources'?
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I totally agree.
If I can dare to go there... I feel very responsible and sad and frustrated when I see the teens that are standing around.selling dope. I suppose getting involved in the community is the best way to feel like we are making a difference. We live in such a competitive, rough society. Parenting is hard and making a legal, decent living is hard as well, I'm sure we can all agree on that.
I would really like to be comfortable walking up the high street with friends and family (especially those that are visiting) without having to pass dealer after dealer. I really don't think that anyone can deny that drugs and crime go together. It's a frightening fact that creates an unsafe community.
I do like seeing all sides of a topic!
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With the exception of describing heroin as a key medicine I agree with everything you say. I'm already training my own child to use alcohol responsibly in the same way I was taught. I was brought up in the continental style where I was given watered down wine with my evening meals from an early age. It taught me that drinking in moderation is not only possible but desirable. And I have already had some quite open discussions with him about the pros and cons of different drugs because the "just say no" policy doesn't work. I want him to be sufficiently well-informed that he can make his own judgements as to what he wants to try and what he doesn't. I am not anti-drugs per se. My responsibility as a parent to give him the tools to make his own decisions. But I think you're underestimating seeing open drug dealing affects everyone else. Just like prostitution on the streets or witnessing violence. When my motorbike got stolen the last time, my son turned to me and said "they're not going to come back for my toys are they, Mummy". At 6 years old he was already affected by the concept of being in fear of crime.
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