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Drunks 'still creating trouble' at revamped park (From tomorrow's Journal)
Drunks 'still creating trouble' at revamped park
nlnews@archant.co.uk
10 September 2008
PARK improvements have not stopped anti-social drunks scaring residents away, according to visitors.
People using the newly refurbished Ducketts Common, near Turnpike Lane, claim they have even seen children chased out of the park by intoxicated vagrants.
One user, who did not want to be named, said: "It's really not conducive to hanging around because there are people there with their cans of cider making it really unpleasant."
The concerns raised at a St Ann's and Harringay Area Assembly last week follow massive improvements to the six-acre space, including a new playground and basketball courts.
Councillor Nilgun Canver (Labour), of St Ann's ward and cabinet member for safer communities, said: "We have identified Ducketts Common as part of our street drinking ban but the Safer Neighbourhoods team is responsible for placing that restriction. I am confident that they are patrolling the area regularly."
A survey carried out last month suggested further improvements, including a new footpath from the Queen's Head pub to the playground and the revamp of the railings.
Margaret Fowler, of Salisbury Road, Wood Green, claimed she also saw groups drinking on the common, adding: "It must worry somebody and it certainly worried the person I was with at the time."
Sergeant Ian Pyles, of Harringay Safer Neighbourhoods team, said: "It's not that you can't drink on the streets it's that if you are drinking and causing trouble then we can take action.
nlnews@archant.co.uk
10 September 2008
PARK improvements have not stopped anti-social drunks scaring residents away, according to visitors.
People using the newly refurbished Ducketts Common, near Turnpike Lane, claim they have even seen children chased out of the park by intoxicated vagrants.
One user, who did not want to be named, said: "It's really not conducive to hanging around because there are people there with their cans of cider making it really unpleasant."
The concerns raised at a St Ann's and Harringay Area Assembly last week follow massive improvements to the six-acre space, including a new playground and basketball courts.
Councillor Nilgun Canver (Labour), of St Ann's ward and cabinet member for safer communities, said: "We have identified Ducketts Common as part of our street drinking ban but the Safer Neighbourhoods team is responsible for placing that restriction. I am confident that they are patrolling the area regularly."
A survey carried out last month suggested further improvements, including a new footpath from the Queen's Head pub to the playground and the revamp of the railings.
Margaret Fowler, of Salisbury Road, Wood Green, claimed she also saw groups drinking on the common, adding: "It must worry somebody and it certainly worried the person I was with at the time."
Sergeant Ian Pyles, of Harringay Safer Neighbourhoods team, said: "It's not that you can't drink on the streets it's that if you are drinking and causing trouble then we can take action.
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Permalink Reply by Birdy_Too on
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I was under the impression that Ducketts Common was a no booze area, are people being arrested and prosecuted or is this another do poo scenario? You can have as many signs as you wish, it's all fruitless unless the law is implemented and people are procecuted.
As Ian Pyles has said drinking outside is not illegal it's the anti social behaviour thats is illegal. There are far more drunk, anti social types with behaviour from people on the busses, tubes and streets after spending time in licenced premises.
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Permalink Reply by Justin Hinchcliffe on
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"There are far more drunk, anti social types with behaviour from people on the busses, tubes and streets after spending time in licenced premises"
Rightly or wrongly, Mayor Boris has banned alcohol from all transport operated by TfL.
I have also seen more undercover polimen patrolling the tube and buses.
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Permalink Reply by Alison P on
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Yes but Boris hasn't banned people who are already drunk (yet...).
I was a bit mystified by Ian Pyles' comment - I though Ducketts was one of the areas where you couldn't drink outside, full stop (ie whether you are being antisocial or not). Isn't that what the street drinking ban is all about?
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Exactly Alison, implement the law or it's pointless.
Has Boris banned grog on all TFL transport or is it just tubes?
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Permalink Reply by John McMullan on
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At the Area Assembly he cleared it up for us by saying that the ban did not mean that you could not drink there... it just meant that if you were drinking there and being a pain they could do something about it. I think Queen Elizabeth I passed some similar laws to do with Catholics.
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Policemen, even (-:
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Personally, I find this yet another attack of our fast-diminishing civil liberties. It criminalise those that of us that do want to drink respnsibly (e.g. on picnics) in our open spaces. There are already laws to tackle those behaving in an anti-social fashion. Rather than enforcing existing laws, the 'powers that be' simply introduce new oness and, in the process, remove our freedoms.
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I completely agree and we have had a good session discussing this on another thread.
There is anti social behaviour by idiots in all forms of life and all aspects of society and social events.
Starts on page 2:
http://www.harringayonline.com/forum/topic/show?id=844301%3ATopic%3...
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I understand it includes the buses, DLR and, presumably, even the river bus! Will double-check, though.
If he hasn't, should the booze ban extend to other forms of public transport?
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Permalink Reply by John D on
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" A survey carried out last month suggested further improvements, including a new footpath from the Queen's Head pub to the playground "
Is this an improvement ? Doesn't this just make it easier for drunks to find their way from the pub to the playground ?
To be fair, I have often seen police rousting drinkers from the park. On the other hand, I have never seen anybody being warned for feeding the pigeons.
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