Harringay, Haringey - So Good they Spelt it Twice!
TFL share plans to create new Overground line for Harringay-Hornsey Service
In a report ahead of a meeting on June 11, the TfL Board publicly shared its intention to take over the running of the Great Northern franchise's inner services from Moorgate as a new Overground line.
There would be two branches, one terminating at Welwyn Garden City and the other at Stevenage via Hertford North.
Given the strong alignment with government priorities and the transfer of Great Northern and South Eastern ‘inner’ services being a key Mayoral priority, we are engaging positively with DfT and other stakeholders to seek the initial devolution (that is, transfer of rail services from the DfT’s franchise model to our concession model) of Great Northern inner services from Moorgate to Welwyn Garden City and Stevenage. There is scope alongside this for increasing frequencies on the Great Northern route, particularly in the off-peak, to unlock housing delivery, support economic growth in both London and Hertfordshire and promote mode shift to rail. We estimate that eight to 12,000 homes could be unlocked or supported by the package of enhancements we would deliver through devolution.
The report also keeps the pilot light burning for the notion of Crossrail 2:
Crossrail 2, the proposed railway linking the National Rail networks in Surrey and Hertfordshire via an underground tunnel through London, could support 200,000 jobs, spur the development of 200,000 new homes across the region and increase London’s rail capacity by 10 per cent.
We continue to manage the Crossrail 2 Safeguarding Directions on behalf of the Secretary of State for Transport and work with stakeholders whose developments are affected by the Safeguarding. This is to ensure we can continue to protect the route until the railway can be progressed
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Permalink Reply by Clive Carter
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Enjoyed, keeps the pilot light burning for the notion of Crossrail 2:
During the time of a previous council CEO, that pilot-light dimmed.
The council pushed hard for a (misguided) diversion through Wood Green.
Even if it were technically possible, the quarter-baked notion would have sold the Borough short in several ways.
The council promotion contributed to the delay of Crossrail 2 and disrupting the careful and long-laid plans of TfL. We won't know how much time and money was wasted.
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Permalink Reply by StephenBln
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The Seven Sisters to New Southgate branch of CR2 virtually parallels the course of the Palace Gates Branch of BR (Eastern Region) closed by Dr Beeching in the 1960s and is in my view totally unnecessary, apart for the fact of being needed as a route to a 'to be built' depot for the trains. Surely there is a better option somewhere else. Travelling times from Turnpike Lane to King's Cross area (Euston) being no improvement on what the Piccadilly line currently offers.
Of course, the populists on here try and turn everything into case against the council and wasting money. Without giving any evidence of course. But they got their political message out.
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Stephen, one does not need to have been a Haringey Councillor at the time, as I was, to appreciate what a foolish idea the Wood Green diversion was. Long-term HoL contributors may remember that TfL had to do a public consultation on the municipal fantasy, which was part of the waste of time and money.
I was in an Opposition Party, but the council wastes enough taxes such that it ought to concern any responsible citizen. Haringey Council does not waste all the money they control.
However, some of the evidence of the waste of huge sums of public money was covered in the case I brought against the Information Commissioner (intimately involving the council). The losses on irregular property deals between 2018 and 2021 ran into many millions of pounds: taxes that could have been better spent.
Of course, it is possible to ignore the Buss Report and the fact that the full version was sent to the Police.
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Clive, this is a thread on Transport developments. I am, have always been interested in those. I'm not interested in council bashing and turf wars, which has nothing to do with TfL acquiring more lines.
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Permalink Reply by Markc
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The argument for CR2 would be more about capacity than journey times. The Victoria line is creaking at peak times and is only going to get busier with the volume of housing being built in Tottenham and Walthamstow.
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Sure, but the Lea Valley section of CR2 would cover that regardless. The branch to New Southgate is only happening because it has been decided to build a depot there. I think there is actually enough brown field space for one alongside the line north from Tottenham Hale.
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